I just watched a video of a guy shooting a Black Bear that was eating donuts and he was all proud of his kill. I'm a hunter and I wouldn't get any satisfaction of killing an animal eating donuts. Anybody else feel this way or is bait hunting ok in your book?

what kind of donuts..??

The cheap **** used day old.

"Baiting" in Illinois is Illegal unless your trapping..

and yea what kinda donuts?

well if it woulda been two day olds.. the cheap bastage shoulda been shot and strapped to the hood of his own vehicle...

THAT ... is what gives hunting a bad name.

What is the difference between using a glazed doughnut and scouting out the bears food sources is semantics.

If you put ONE glazed doughnut on a bear trail and come back a week later, you will find a hole about 3 feet deep where the bear is looking for more sweets.

No different than planting corn for deer.

No different than putting a pile of sand to attract doves.

Sounds bad, but you still have to be really quiet and have skills to hunt bear. It isn't like it's Yellowstone Park and they are walking up to your window.

Bear have some of the best noses in the forest. Not that easy to fool them.

Gringo

Mind you, I am NOT opposed to hunting.

But why not just round them into pens, then take your shots?

Depends on the size of the pen, and the type of weapon.

They do it all over the country.

That's why I say semantics. Do I think it is sporty? I dunno, I need more information.

When I used to kill 6 either sex deer a year in Hyde county, NC by walking in line with 5 other hunters using 3" mag 00 buck and "jump shooting". Some people thought that was unethical.

They use dogs in NC to hunt deer. Usually a redneck with a swivel chair ing the back of his pick up with a bottle of Jack. They don't care if they shoot the dogs either.

Semantic's that's all. What is the difference between plinking gophers with a 10x scoped .22 .

Just not prepared out right pass judgement based on the information.

I will say this. If he didn't shoot accurately and the bear ate him, I wouldn't feel bad at all.

years ago, my neighbor killed a little black bear that was terrorizing his apple orchard. He had it skinned and hanging in his garage when I went to look.

It looked like a gaddam man hanging there.

This sorta reminds me when VFRtwice went hunting on a farm of some sorts, I think in Texas ...

Anyway, he killed something like 40 animals . . .

I thought this thread was about girls who recently graduated from high school.

Chief you are right they look just like a human when they are dressed out.

Bait hunting, and hunting farm raised animals is just wrong, and should be outlawed.

I've seen shows of guys bear hunting like that, I immediately fired off an email to the hunters, and to the network about how friggin' stupid that was, and no true hunter would lower themselves to hunt that way.

That type stuff chaps my ass.

I haven't watched that network since (I know, they probably didn't notice, but I don't care, not going to watch it).

Lizardo,

How do you feel about using doe estrus? Is that bait hunting?

I ain't trying to start no chit mang.... I don't really feel that great about hunting bears with Krispy Creme either. Just trying to get an opinion.

I think in the end it goes to intent.

Ethics, is hard to regulate. Greed and laziness make the types of hunts you speak of popular.

The problem is really so complicated that there is no solution. When you take over the domain of animals something has to be done. It sucks. Easy to say you should "hunt" (I use the term loosly) like my ancestral Delaware Indians, but it is over simplifying a problem.

Those bears might be in conflict with humans. Not enough info.

Gringo

I am not as against lures as I am bait, I don't use them, but it doesn't anger me like people who put out bait and then shoot when something comes up to eat.

Salt blocks are similar to bait, and around here, you can put them out, but they have to be removed a certain amount of time before hunting season starts (I don't use salt licks either).

I'm with you man. But many would consider that the "semantics" I am refering too.

Only reason I even engaged this thread is because I went on a bear hunt with a dude that used a glazed doughnut to attract a black bear.

He also killed the bear with a recurve bow that he made and 100% home made arrows.

The doughnut was placed on this trail in the off season. He scouted ad nauseum. Had pictures of the bear from tree stands.

I went with him to man the video camera (VHS-C then) and the .357 mag in case things went bad. We waited two days in the bush behind a small blind with two chairs. The afternoon of the second day I felt a tap on the thigh (I had fallen asleep). I wake up and he hand signals me to just freeze. One smooth motion and he rises and releases the arrow. The bear runs maybe 30 - 40 yds. We can hear him breathing (gurgling) over our increased heartrates. We wait 20 minutes. 20 minutes is a freaking eternity!! Track blood and find bear with a double lung shot.

I didn't feel at the time that the hunt was unethical. Maybe it was because he was a primitive hunter. You could sub the doughnut for honey or whatever. Our ancestors did the same.

Again, not passing judgement either way. Lots of gray here for me.

Gringo

Bait hunting with a bow is different than with a rifle or handgun. You have to get a lot closer, and that helps even up the playing field a bit. I don't bow hunt, so I really can't opine much more from that perspective. For me personally, I'd rather just use my tracking and scouting abilities than bait.

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John, you better find a way to get your arse up here for Patrick's Herf.

CT really isn't that far away. Make a week of it. I'll come get you at your sister's house, you crash here in between. You are always welcome.

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