myash07
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:41:00 PM
Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government's coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

It's outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children." The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."

Page 840: The state "shall identify and prioritize serving communities that are in high need of such services, especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families."

jackconrad
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:44:00 PM
Obviously these are the same as always Liberals who think they are so smart that they should make all of our decisions for us.
jimmy@ctconnect.com
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:51:00 PM
"especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families."

... not that there's anything racist about that comment ...

pacman357
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:06:00 PM
Don't worry. They're going to put all seniors to death first, and that's going to take some time. BTW, tin foil hats will also not be covered under the plan, and there seems to be a bit of a run going on them. You might want to get yours now.
pacman357
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:11:00 PM
Incidentally, in every state of the union, there are currently programs in place to watch over, and if necessary, remove children from homes of unfit parents. Whether the parents are mentally ill, strung out on drugs or booze, neglectful, etc., every state has at least one state agency charged with the oversight of care. If the children are removed from the home, the parents have certain rights, and the entire thing (as far as any state I've ever heard of) is overseen by the courts.

It's not a perfect system, nor do I believe you can construct one. However, I have seen cases where parents are able to overcome deficits and regain their own children to their custody. Then again, some parents have no business having kids in the first place, and the kids are better off in foster care. My office handles these kinds of cases, so I know a little something about them.

The kind of provision you are citing seems to simply dovetail into that patchwork of various state programs that do the same thing.

Wait, what I meant to say is, Obama eats babies, and he's coming after yours next. Whew. Almost lost my damned head there for a minute. Oh, and say goodbye to gramma and grampa. Their executions are scheduled for the first month after passage of the bill.

Thunder.Gerbil
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:16:00 PM
RE #4

Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

HockeyDad
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:38:00 PM
[email protected]

Report filed.

jetblasted
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:45:00 PM
"especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families."

... not that there’s anything racist about that comment ...

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The original statement was not racist, however yours was, jimmy . . .

(learn to think like a democrat)

HockeyDad
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:46:00 PM
SEC. 440. HOME VISITATION PROGRAMS FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN AND FAMILIES EXPECTING CHILDREN.

`(a) Purpose- The purpose of this section is to improve the well-being, health, and development of children by enabling the establishment and expansion of high quality programs providing voluntary home visitation for families with young children and families expecting children.

pacman357
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:06:00 PM
#9 Holy crap! Does the UN know about this?

Pretty soon the government will be wanting some parents to take parenting classes!!!

Oh wait...that already happens.

myash07
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:11:00 PM
#7

ROFL

jimmy@ctconnect.com
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:14:00 PM
Jet ...

... I can't ... there's no way that I would ever be flexible enough to shove my head that far up ...

FuzzNJ
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:16:00 PM
Because when I want to know what's going on in the world, I turn to Chuck Norris!
HockeyDad
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:17:00 PM
If the UN was writing the bill the visits would be mandatory.

All section 440 says is that states can apply for grants to set up these programs. It is voluntary for the states and it is voluntary for the families.

In Florida, this pretty much looks like "Florida Strengthening Families Initiative" run by the Florida Department of Children and Families. I guess now we could get Federal funds for it.

myash07
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:22:00 PM
All I'm really saying is:

I don't believe that this Health Care reform is the way to go....

Not the way it is proposed now....

And no matter what else our Represenatitives should have the same plan as everyone else....

FuzzNJ
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:27:00 PM
15: I agree. It should be scrapped and start from scratch. Single payer now.
jpotts
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:33:00 PM
14. Author: HockeyDad Date: 08/11/2009 10:17 PM Reply

If the UN was writing the bill the visits would be mandatory.

All section 440 says is that states can apply for grants to set up these programs. It is voluntary for the states and it is voluntary for the families.

In Florida, this pretty much looks like "Florida Strengthening Families Initiative" run by the Florida Department of Children and Families. I guess now we could get Federal funds for it.

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I think we have something like that in Michigan, and it is voulentary.

That is until a teacher that takes a disliking to you reports you for abusing your kid. Then the "voulentary" part comes to a swift and sudden end.

Plus nearly 90% of the people working in a local, state, or federal governments are typically the people I tell my kids to stay away from. I tell them this because they are a bunch of dirtbag losers who can't get a real job in the private sector.

Thanks but no thanks.

HockeyDad
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:36:00 PM
It a teacher reports you for abuse, generally the process is that you lose all civil rights and are guilty until proven innocent.

Now you're dealing with child protective services and the courts and that is totally unrelated to this item in the house bill.

myash07
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:39:00 PM
I have a problem with Government run agencies...

I don't think the government should be running the Health Care.

If this happens (Health care run by the gov) what will private health insurance companies do?

What will encourage people to go into the health care fields for employment?

jpotts
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:40:00 PM
18. Author: HockeyDad Date: 08/11/2009 10:36 PM Reply

It a teacher reports you for abuse, generally the process is that you lose all civil rights and are guilty until proven innocent.

Now you’re dealing with child protective services and the courts and that is totally unrelated to this item in the house bill.

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Yes, but the teacher can screm and yell at them all day, make derogatory comments about them and their families all day. It is accepted. That's because they are state employees who can do no wrong.

We're so luckey to have people like that looking out for our general welfare.