MACS
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Friday, August 14, 2009 4:47:00 PM
Didja see the new Ford Taurus SHO?

365 ponies and 350 lb ft of torque from a twin turbo EcoBoost™ V-6.

Um. I, er... wow. I could learn to like that sedan. I think I do like it...

The only thing that is confusing to me is why Ford would take a sedan and make it outperform their most popular muscle car?

That'd be like Chevy making an Impala that could whoop a Corvette. Kinda counter-productive, no?

grmcooper
Friday, August 14, 2009 4:56:00 PM
Oh Lord here we go!
03screw
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:04:00 PM
Don’t worry MACS, the 5.0L will be back for the 2010 Mustang (rumors of 400hp ;o) . The current Mustang still handles better and is quicker than the SHO. Hell, it handles better than the Camaro and is way more driver friendly. So, next year.... goodnight Camaro!!!!!
ScottHar
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:07:00 PM
Yeah, but it's a Taurus, right? (Not that there's anything wrong with that, etc.)

ScottHar

pacman357
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:35:00 PM
Nah...MACS and I just happen to both dig cars...especially new ones, and better yet, new ones with some juice.

The previous SHOs enjoyed a really loyal following. Not quite at the same level with older women and their T-Birds, nor old men and their Grand Marquis (both groups would always seem to come in thinking that IF they were to ever trade their car in, the car's trade-in value should be about double what they paid for the damned thing). Pretty damned strong loyalty, however.

They were pretty fun to drive, too. Friend of mine had one with a black metal flake paint job that was very nice. Lincoln had a similar run when they put out the Mark VIII, which was basically a beefed up and pimped T-Bird. That didn't seem to canibalize T-Bird sales, and those vehicles were far more similar. I really loved those Mark VIIIs, BTW...especially the last couple years (the years with the neon taillight setup across the back). A hoot to drive.

The guys in the Corvette development team have been simlarly protective about the Vette. They didn't want GM putting a Vette engine in anything. However, once they stuffed it into a Caddy, the thing sold like...um, waffles (I hate to say hotcakes).

I think the key is, how similar or different are the cars? When Dodge came out with the new Charger, a lot of Mopar fans howled at the thought of a 4 door Charger. Eventually, Dodge had to develop the Challenger to make up for botching the Charger (although the latest iteration of the Charger has plenty of fans, too).

The new generation Mustang was a run-away hit for Ford. Caught Chrysler and GM with their pants around their ankles, as neither imagined the success Ford would have with it, nor did they have anything in development to counter it. That's why it took so long for the newer Charger, then Challenger and then Camaro. Ford scooped up a lot of buyers before either of the others were ready to dive back into the pony car segment.

The Taurus SHO, however, will be different enough that I don't think it will eat into Mustang sales. It didn't seem to do so before, and the version of the Mustang that was out at the time was nowhere near as popular with buyers as the current version.

It's hard to know what is going to happen ultimately, as the newer CAFE regulations, the uncertainty with an economy that is still in the toilet, etc., all tend to make it tough to believe right now that the usual rules to these sort of things will follow. However, if the economy recovers enough to where things return close to normal, I'd bet the SHO does more to rekindle interest in the Taurus overall, while doing little to dent the enthusiasm for the Mustang (assuming Ford doesn't tinker too much with the Mustang, too).

BTW...Taurus SHO...four door family sedan, smooth ride, AWD, not a machine for torching tires, and will have several comfort and practical features the Mustang does not. Should be very nice for long drives.

The Mustang...will still have a stiff ride, much smaller inside, noisier inside, you can burn through a set of tires as quickly as you want, and it's more visceral than practical.

The SHO will be the car guys who have some money get when they wanted a Mustang, but couldn't have gotten one, because carrying the kids and carseat in the Mustang wouldn't have been practical. The SHO will be the car the wife is telling to "grow up and behave", which will make it fun, but the Mustang will still be a hooligan.

grmcooper
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:39:00 PM
Look at that post MACS got out of the long winded Pacman! LMAO!!!!!

Good job!

pacman357
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:41:00 PM
BTW, the boys at Caddy were also bugged that GM allowed the boys at Oldsmobile to stuff a Northstar engine into an Aurora. That Northstar engine was a big selling point for Caddy (although not as succesful as Chrysler's "that thing got a Hemi?" campaign). Turns out Caddy didn't have much to worry about. Oh, the Northstar performed just as well in the Oldsmobuick. However, Olds was charging what, forty grand for that car? Inside it still looked like an $8K rental car. Typical of GM for that time, I'm afraid. Interior of the "upscale" Aurora was barer than Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard.
pacman357
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:43:00 PM
#6 Shaddup. I follow the car biz quite a bit...three car mags each month, online news, etc. Think about it...I have OCD...I love toys...are there any better toys than new cars? Well, maybe jets and yachts, but nothing folks like us can afford.

I didn't have to expend much mental energy to cover all of that. I follow it, and I enjoy it.

pacman357
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:43:00 PM
#6 Oh yeah...

NEIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya douche nozzle!!!

jimmy@ctconnect.com
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:44:00 PM
... well, not that there's anything wrong with that ... but we've seen pictures of the both of them and they need all the horse power and torque they can get to get up and moving ...

... let's not forget ... PacMan is what? 6'8" and 450lbs according to CE ... and I just can't picture him driving around in an old white beat up Geo Metro anytime soon ...

:-)

teedubbya
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:56:00 PM
why not just find an old K Car and drop a bigger engine in it?

Same thing.

grmcooper
Friday, August 14, 2009 5:57:00 PM
When I become a star Pac will be at the bottom of my list.

Hahahahahaha!

Riiiiiiight

pacman357
Friday, August 14, 2009 6:11:00 PM
#10 Last I heard, I was up to 8'2" and weighed 900 lbs.

#11 You're baiting me. Won't work. I'm too flippin' tired.

#12 I was going to ask what the hell that means...think I'll wait until you near stardom first.

Night all!

MACS
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Friday, August 14, 2009 6:42:00 PM
"Nah...MACS and I just happen to both dig cars..." - Pacman357

Exactly. I love cars. Always have. My brother, Steve, is the mechanic, though.

MACS
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Friday, August 14, 2009 6:43:00 PM
"The current Mustang still handles better and is quicker than the SHO." - 03screw

Handles better? Okay. I can see that.

Quicker? Than a twin turbo with more HP and torque? Not f'kn likely.

topper7788
Friday, August 14, 2009 6:58:00 PM
I saw one in person over the weekend,, NICE car.. but its like 40K... But dam, nicest sedan out of Detroit other than the CTS and maybe the G8...
03screw
Friday, August 14, 2009 8:24:00 PM
I'm serious MACS. It's all about weight. The SHO is a BIG AWD 4 door sedan. Did I mention Big!!! I hate magazine racing, but it's all I have to go off.

2010 Mustang GT 0-60 at 4.9 and 1/4 mile time at 13.5

2010 Taurus SHO 0-60 at 5.2 and 1/4 mile time at 13.7

Obviously the turbo car can be easily tuned to make some good power, but stock for stock it's slower. As mentioned above the SHO isn't for boy racers, it's for well to do middle agers who are stuck with a family sedan but want to haul ass.

MACS
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Friday, August 14, 2009 8:33:00 PM
^Kinda like a G37, eh? No wonder I like it! LOL!

I just prefer the sedans. I think I also like the luxury factor. If I go in for service (anything more than a simple oil change) I get a loaner car. I can take my car in on a friday afternoon and drive a loaner all weekend and pick my car up on Monday afternoon.

Ford, Honda, Chevy, Toyota... not gonna happen.

03screw
Friday, August 14, 2009 9:12:00 PM
"I just prefer the sedans. I think I also like the luxury factor. If I go in for service (anything more than a simple oil change) I get a loaner car. I can take my car in on a friday afternoon and drive a loaner all weekend and pick my car up on Monday afternoon"

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Now your talking. I'd schedule every service late Friday just to get the loaner all weekend. Drive the snot out of it, get it dirty and return with a **** eating grin on my face and a clean car to drive home in. Win, Win!

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Friday, August 14, 2009 9:16:00 PM
^Yeeeeeaaaauuuup.

And... it ain't just a quick wash and you get it back with water spots, either. They clean it, vacuum it and dry it.