... ok ... name ONE exception to where you would "agree" to allow an illegal to stay in America ...

... name one incident where you would "agree" that the illegal should be entitled to State/Federal Aid ...

... name one "change" you would like to see become "law" regarding our immigration policies ...

They clean my house!!!! for $40 cash!

... ok ... name ONE exception to where you would "agree" to allow an illegal to stay in America ...

If he could throw a 100 MPH fastball with late movement and was signed by the Cubs.

... name one incident where you would "agree" that the illegal should be entitled to State/Federal Aid ...

See above

... name one "change" you would like to see become "law" regarding our immigration policies ...

See above

... ok ... name ONE exception to where you would "agree" to allow an illegal to stay in America ...

If they pay taxes and obey the law of the land like the rest of us.

... name one incident where you would "agree" that the illegal should be entitled to State/Federal Aid ...

See above

... name one "change" you would like to see become "law" regarding our immigration policies ...

Draconian penalties for those that employ illegals. This would fix the problem.

one exception?

if she's really cute

definitely no gay homos allowed tho...

Ditto w/ 4, only exception being employer penalties - need to increase the legal limit on immigration #'s or employer penalties (which are rarely enforced) won't do anything. Probably get rid of family reunification priorities in favor of "merit" as well.

cbc:

"If they pay taxes and obey the law of the land like the rest of us. "

Please tell me how someone who came here illegally can possibly obey the law of the land.

I'll spark up a slow burning churchill, because I imagine this will take some time...

^ #7

Well, make them legal under an employment program. They're going to be here anyway, so we might as well have a way to track them and make them pay taxes etc. like the rest of us.

This whole problem would go away if the laws against hiring illegals were vigorously enforced and the penalties severe.

But nobody wants it to be solved.

Somehow, it seems to me, removing 28 million illegals would result in:

1. More jobs available

2. Less crime

3. Higher wages

4. Lower costs of Welfare

5. Lower costs of Health Services

6. Lower costs of Education

7. Lower costs of insurance (all types)

8. Lower costs of housing

9. Less overcrowding

10. Less pollution

11. Less stress on the environment

12. Less stress on our resources

This is not just a problem with illegal Mexicans, the second largest group of illegals are Chinese, many of which are believed to be spies or criminals. Several Chinese Generals got together and wrote a book on how to take down the USA economically. This is part of the strategy. Curiously, the book is published here.

^7

Someone who remains here illegally (without status) is only committing a civil violation; not much different than a speeding ticket. In that sense, such a person is obeying the "law of the land" to the same extent as most Citizens.

The reality is that they'll come here whether you allow them to do so legally or not. At least if you allow for more avenues to do so legally you'll see greater utilization of those avenues (and thus have them documented, accounted for, licensed/permitted/whatever for various purposes, etc.).

I agree that those who hire them should be punished.

But as long as America is more desireable than Mexico, they WILL come here. Job or no job.

Healthcare, education, welfare, etc are MUCH better in the USA than south of the border.

We need to stop blaming others for their acts.

THEY are the ones breaking the law and THEY should be punished.

We need to stop treating them like victims.

^9

1 - Maybe. You're also removing them from the economy and their demand for products/services as well, so a decrease in employment overall is also likely.

2 - They're not statistically more likely to engage in criminal activity than any Citizen is, so your total crime numbers might decrease (just like can be anticipated with any pop drop), but it won't be any different than we would see if we just eliminated a segment of the Citizen population.

3 - Yes.

4 - Not likely to be noticed. Illegals do not personally qualify for most welfare services, only a few. And the cost per illegal headed houshold in services is like a net $3k per year - less than for Citizens with similar economic situations.

5 - Probably for providers, but I doubt your premium will go down anytime soon.

6 - Depends. By decreasing your tax base you might actually increase your personal contribution to education. Fewer students wont always mean decreased cost to you personally even though the net cost will drop.

7 - Unlikely. Insurance isn't really paying that much for them now, service providers are the ones bearing the brunt of this.

8 - Probably in some markets, but construction cost will likely rise. So some decreases, some increases.

9 - Depends on the area, but generally yes.

10 - Um, I guess kinda. Though query how global pollution might be impacted.

11 - Same as 10.

12 - Same as 10.

Legalizing about 10 Million of them would probably be more beneficial than deporting 28 million of them, just my take on it.

Hard for me to rationalize how to 'legalize' so many people whose very first act upon entering this country is to commit a felony.

^11

And what are you gonna do? Put them in jail? Deport them?

Chilly,

I don't know the law, but I would think that the act of illegally ENTERING a country is more than a civil violation.

If you want to let them live with you and your family, good on you.

But don't demand that I let them live with me.

Start a charity fund that will pay for their social services. Don't demand that my tax dollars help incentivise them to come here illegally.

America is a country of immigrants.

And we do need more.

But that is no reason to let them come here illegally.

Punish those who come here without documents, and punish those who hire them.

Meanwhile, we can streamline the legal immigration process to be certain that all citizens and residents are accounted for.

Look at what's been going on in DC for the past few weeks.

The healthcare debate will affect everyone regardless of what the direction ends up being.

Yet NO ONE can accurately identify the COST that illegals add to the healthcare problem.

All social reforms should be tabled until we get a handle on this very real problem of illegal immigration.

Gracias.

^13

Not all do, that is only if you dodge inspection at the border. Visa overstays have not committed a felony.

Legalization should be for "otherwise qualified" individuals, not blanket upon proof of residency (which can be faked like it was in 86').

Grant them amnesty now. Send Mexico our welfare-Democrats in exchange.

14:

Chilly,

Yes. I would put them in jail.

I would deport them.

I would put them into hard labor camps.

I would make them build the wall that they themselves created a reason to build.

They are law breakers.

Period.

How would you handle them?

Illegal is Illegal ... Period.

Personally, I'd like to see a giant wall built on the Mexican border that is lined with an electric fence & topped with automatic, laser guide, motion detected Gatling guns ...

^15

ENTERING without inspection is a violation of the USC and a felony. Remaining as a visa overstay, or otherwise, is not a criminal offense. As a practical matter, the criminal sanctions aren't pursued, only the civil.

Who is demanding they live with you? If they legalize then they're LPRs or Citizens.

You are correct, however, that we'll never really know - partially because any attempt to even document them is seen as a "give away" and is shot down.