rfenst
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Friday, September 25, 2009 2:39:00 PM
Major financier of Islamic terrorism.

Instigator in Syria v. Lebanon.

Trains radical Palestinian homicide-bombers.

Provides terrorist with weapons.

Has a President who denies the Holocaust and has vowed to destroy Israel.

And now, the international community is finally outraged...

... but all anybody is talking about is sanctions? Will the Russians and Chinese get on board?

I say, bomb the living hell out of the facility now and assassinate several dozen Iranian religious/ political/military leaders! Then, starve their economy with petro-sanctions!!!

ScottHar
Friday, September 25, 2009 2:43:00 PM
I believe Israel is handling this one, no?

ScottHAR

mkurt
Friday, September 25, 2009 2:47:00 PM
yeah, detroy them!!! kill them all!!!! AHHHHHHH, die jew-haters!!!!!
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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:11:00 PM
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As a Jew, I promise to do everything reasonable within my power to kill our aggressor before they kills us solely because we are Jews. We have been taught again, during the last century, that complacency was the wrong course of action.

Israel will not take overt action without U.S. consent and assurance from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, etc.

There is also the issue of Russian interference. And we cannot forget We don't want another World War, do the Chinese, can we?

HockeyDad
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:14:00 PM
The real issue is can we attack a country that has universal healthcare without studying their medical plans first.
donutboy2000
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:15:00 PM
The Big Blow-Up

President Obama's most explosive foreign policy crisis will occur within months. Israel is not going to let Iran get the bomb. Virtually the entire Israeli political spectrum views the nuclear program of the fascistic mullahs in Tehran as an existential threat. Israeli intelligence apparently believes Iran will be able to put together a bomb before the end of next year. Does the Obama Administration truly comprehend the situation?

Our State Department has concluded that the world can live with a nuclear-armed Iran, that Iran can be contained, just as the Soviet Union was during the Cold War. Much of the Pentagon shares that assessment, as do the Europeans. The White House may be under the illusion that it can bring the Israelis around to our way of thinking: There's no need to worry; Iran will never attack with nukes because of the ghastly consequences to itself. But given the Iranian regime's apocalyptic outlook--and its madly messianic president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is powerful enough to have gotten away with rigging the presidential election and successfully quashed open dissent--the Israelis won't take the risk.

The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (as well as that of his predecessor) hasn't been coy about how it sizes up the situation. Israel has conducted open military exercises clearly aimed at preparing for a hit on Iran's nuclear facilities.

Netanyahu has long made it clear that his prime mission in life is to eradicate--or at least severely set back and impair--Iran's nuclear ambitions. "It's 1938," he has said repeatedly. There will be no second Holocaust on his watch. For the past six years the Israelis have stood by while the U.S. and Europe engaged in futile diplomacy with Tehran. But their seeming passivity was for appearances--to let the world witness that diplomacy had been given a thorough, leisurely paced chance. The Israeli government backed down when the Bush Administration refused to give it a green light for a strike on Iran in early 2008. But that was before Netanyahu took office. The Obama Administration is deluding itself if it thinks the Netanyahu government will ask anyone's permission to strike Iran.

In fact, the Israelis have rarely given us a heads-up when they've undertaken significant military actions. They didn't do so regarding the Suez Crisis in 1956 or the Six-Day War in 1967 (and no wonder--the Johnson Administration had made clear it didn't want the Israelis to initiate hostilities, even though Egypt was clearly ready to attack). The Israelis didn't ask permission to take out Iraq's nuclear facility in 1981 nor did they seek our counsel before invading Lebanon a year later.

In 1987-88 the U.S. engaged Iran in the so-called Tanker War, when the Khomeini government made moves to block oil shipments from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia through the Persian Gulf. The U.S. crushed the Iranian navy, helping to persuade the Ayatollah Khomeini to end the long, bloody war with Iraq.

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Moreover, what the Obama Administration may not fully grasp is that if the Israelis do attack, we will be involved in the conflict almost immediately. Teh-ran's fanatics will use missiles to try to close the critical Persian Gulf, through which flows much of the world's oil supply. Our Navy will then likely take out Iran's missile sites and obliterate its navy if it interferes with our efforts to get the oil flowing again.

Wars always have unpredictable consequences. Yes, Iran's nuclear dreams will be shoved onto a back burner for many years, and behind the scenes the Sunni governments in Egypt and elsewhere will quietly applaud, for they deeply fear an Iran-dominated Middle East. But who knows what other forces might be unleashed in various countries when this happens and in the years ahead? Global economies will certainly be impacted by a fundamental disruption--even a short one--in the oil markets.

Is military action avoidable? The odds of a peaceful solution get slimmer by the day. Iran is working feverishly to build up refining capacity because it currently must import a significant amount of its gasoline. It has already raised the price of this heavily subsidized fuel in order to cut back consumption. In other words, a blockade will be far less potent now than it would have been a year ago. And certainly nothing the Obama Administration has done vis-à-vis terrorists and rogue states will assure the Israelis that this Administration will take effective steps to rein in Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Forbes

8trackdisco
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:16:00 PM
Iran-

Iran- .... so far away.

................................... couldn't get away.

DrMaddVibe
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:16:00 PM
Robert...you know you're talking about Armageddon?

Just sayin'

gringococolo
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:19:00 PM
Can the U.S. give "consent" and just sit and watch Israel blow the crap out of them?

We are tired of desert warfare. We need to get back into mountain (Korea) and jungle (South America) warfare. I would come out of retirement for some jungle warfare. I like tropical fruit.

HockeyDad
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:20:00 PM
I love Vietnamese food.
DrMaddVibe
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:20:00 PM
Israel will do whatever Israel wants to do.
8trackdisco
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:20:00 PM
Edit this a bit and see if you feel the same way.

I say, bomb the living hell out of the (the USA) now and assassinate several dozen (American) religious/ political/military leaders! Then, starve their economy with (the financial burden of keeping everyone safe)!!!

But THAT is different. And wrong.

8trackdisco
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:22:00 PM
"..Israel will do whatever Israel wants to do. .."

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As long as we keep picking up the (always growing) tab to keep them afloat.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:25:00 PM
8. Author: DrMaddVibe

Yes. In the view of many Christians, I certainly New Testiment-arilary am. Pretty interesting stuff to discuss over cigars, huh?

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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:28:00 PM
12. Author: 8trackdisco

Agreed 100%.

But, who says that my opinions are rational. On this topic (and admittedly several others) they are not or may not be. I openly admit this. I only *think* I know it all..

rfenst
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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:32:00 PM
13. Author: 8trackdisco

"..Israel will do whatever Israel wants to do. .."

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As long as we keep picking up the (always growing) tab to keep them afloat.

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Truthfully, if the U.S stops supporting Israel, then Israel will be truly free to do whatever it wants/needs to do- at least until it finally looses out to Islam and/or the Palestinians.

jpotts
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38:00 PM
1. Author: rfenst Date: 09/25/2009 06:39 PM Reply

Major financier of Islamic terrorism.

Instigator in Syria v. Lebanon.

Trains radical Palestinian homicide-bombers.

Provides terrorist with weapons.

Has a President who denies the Holocaust and has vowed to destroy Israel.

And now, the international community is finally outraged...

... but all anybody is talking about is sanctions? Will the Russians and Chinese get on board?

I say, bomb the living hell out of the facility now and assassinate several dozen Iranian religious/ political/military leaders! Then, starve their economy with petro-sanctions!!!

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After the pigs that came shooting out of the liberals' a**es when we invaded Iraq? Unlikely. However, the upside is that we don't actually have to take direct intervention in this nation. They're on the verge of revolution as is.

Too bad we have a weak-kneed African dictator wannabe as "president."

By the way, many of the same things you cite Iran as doing, Hussein's Iraq did as well.

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Friday, September 25, 2009 3:45:00 PM
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Lets not play naivete- the U.S does it as well too.

I think it is a sad part of human nature...

donutboy2000
Friday, September 25, 2009 6:36:00 PM
'Ahmadinejad has enough uranium to go whole way'

Senior US official says secret facility is right size to make 'bomb or two a year'

dium-range surface to surface missile, named Sejil-2, in Semnan in north-eastern Iran on 20 May 2009.

The crisis in relations with Iran escalated ominously yesterday after the leaders of the US, Britain and France accused the regime in Tehran of operating a secret uranium enrichment facility buried deep in a mountain bunker near the ancient religious city of Qom. Barack Obama called Iran's activity "a direct challenge" to the international community.

The accusations were made public in an extraordinary joint statement by the US President, flanked by Gordon Brown and the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy before the start of the G20 economic summit in Pittsburgh.

Iran had previously insisted that its plant at Natanz, which is open to international inspection, was the only one involved in enrichment. The new revelation sharply raises the stakes at a time when Israel has been signalling that military strikes against Iran are on the table.

theindependentworld

donutboy2000
Friday, September 25, 2009 6:38:00 PM
#12

Are you saying that Obama is as insane as Ahmadinejad?