C&P from an email.

There are points to be made here, regardless of your spiritual estate.

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RECENT VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE -STIMULUS SERMON

Genesis 47:13-27

(I would love to give the Pastor of this church in

Virginia a hug and a high five. This guy is obviously a leader and

not one of the sheep. Perhaps we should each decide who our

real leader is…………. It is amazing to see that very little has

changed in 4,000 years.)--[original poster]

Good morning, brothers and sisters; it's always a delight to see

the pews crowded on Sunday morning, and so eager to get into

God's Word. Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will to the 47th

chapter of Genesis, we'll begin our reading at verse 13, and go

through verse 27.

Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us?

....(reading)...

Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray... So we see that

economic hard times fell upon Egypt , and the people turned to

the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. And Pharaoh

nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses

that he had built. So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a

great tax increase, and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And

this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.

So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their

livestock -their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey -

to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through

the end of that year..

But the famine wasn't over, was it? So the next year, the people

came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except

their land and their own lives. "There is nothing left in the sight

of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before

your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food,

and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh." So they

surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to

Pharaoh's government, and then sold themselves into slavery

to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers

and sisters?

That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider

in hard times only leads to slavery? Yes. That the only reason

government wants to be our provider is to also become our master?

Yes.

But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel

settled in the land of Egypt , in the land of Goshen .. And they gained

possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly." God

provided for His people, just as always has! They didn't end up

giving all their possessions to government, no, it says they gained

possessions! But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous

one. We see the same thing happening today - the government today

wants to "share the wealth "once again, to take it from us and redistribute

it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken

control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government

rations it, then government decides who gets it, and how much, and

what kind. And if we go along with it, and do it willingly, then we will

wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years

ago - as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.

What Mr. Obama's government is doing now is no different from what

Pharaoh's government did then, and it will end the same. And a lot of

people like to call Mr. Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a Messiah?

A savior? Didn't the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves,

"You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh"?

Well, I tell you this -

I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine;

and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters,

if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.

Bow with me in prayer, if you will.

Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You, and You alone.

We confess that the government is not our deliverer, and never rightly will be.

We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel warned the people

of what a ruler would do, where it says "And in that day you will cry out

because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but

the LORD will not answer you in that day." And Lord, we acknowledge

that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have

chosen for ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this nation. We pray

for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our masters.

Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, and protect Your people

from the atrocities of Pharaoh's government.

In God We Trust..

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Indeed, in God [ I ] Trust...

It is true that we have changed very little over the past 4,000 year. And we could learn from the mistakes of our ancestors.

I've never heard anyone call Obama a "Messiah," except people putting words in others mouths.

^ #2

"I’ve never heard anyone call Obama a "Messiah," except people putting words in others mouths."

Why do you hate America?

Wow, that was a quick sermon...

...and all God's people said, "AMEN!" Then they proceeded to the nearest Cracker Barrel and beat the usual church crowd rush. LOL

Horrible sermon. While I tend to agree with a lot of it, and think it could be an interesting discussion, it has no business being a sermon.

^

Well, I guess it was intended to be a sermon of hope (not the Obama kind of [false] "hope") with a bit of a political spin. However, I tend to agree with you, but it is interesting to read a story from so long ago and see some potential similarities to today.

I tend to think it was not an actual sermon. And it does not exalt Jesus Christ and His Gospel, as every Christian sermon should, so some of your comments are well taken.

BUT, Ochigago HAS been characterized as a "messiah" in word and behavior by his acolytes.

4. That's why we go to the early service...

^

agree on each of your 3 comments. But we go to the 10:00 service, because with 3 kids there is no way we could do 8:30, and by the time you get out of the 11:45 service and eat lunch, your afternoon is shot. Actually, we go to the 6:15 Saturday service when we can. We're probably not doing anything anyway, and it leaves Sunday wide open.

@dave lol

In a way, I guess that doesn't sound right...working God into our schedules... *sigh* I guess the good news is he knows our faults, and is available 24/7...not just Sunday @ 8:30, 10:00, and 11:00...oh, and 6:15 on Saturday...and the new 4:30 service they just added on Saturday. 🙂

#3 Not just America; I hate most governments.

2. Author: Buckwheat Date: 10/02/2009 10:15 AM Reply

It is true that we have changed very little over the past 4,000 year. And we could learn from the mistakes of our ancestors.

I’ve never heard anyone call Obama a "Messiah," except people putting words in others mouths.

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Does this count?

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/29/creepy-o-cult-video-of-the-day-deliver-us-obama/ 

Creepy O-cult video of the day: “Deliver us, Obama!”

Michelle Malkin

September 29, 2009

I didn’t think you could top those schoolchildren substituting Obama for Jesus in their public school praise hymn.

Now, thanks to Naked Emperor News and Breitbart TV, we have video of community organizers led by the “Gamaliel Foundation” praying to The One as they lobby for “social justice” and health care for all.

“HEAR OUR CRY, OBAMA!”

“DELIVER US, OBAMA!”

And no, this is not an Onion parody.

History of the Movement: This type of community organizing began in Chicago in 1938. Saul Alinsky created the “Back of the Yards Community Council”. The organization operated in the shadow of Chicago’s stock yards. The community was beset with poverty, political corruption, gangs, disease, deteriorating housing and inadequate schools; but most of all it was beset with a sense of powerlessness. The organization successfully engaged people to change the conditions of the community. Its motto was, “We shall decide our own destiny.” And to a large extent and for some time, they did just that. Many organizations were created utilizing the model of the Back of the Yards Council. Unfortunately most of those organizations have dissolved, become stagnant, parochial and marginalized; have evolved into social service, advocacy, or economic development corporations; or have become the fiefdoms of political hacks. The original mission of empowerment and expansion of democracy has, all too frequently, been lost. To insure the promise of community organizing, the Gamaliel Foundation was born.

History of the Gamaliel Foundation: The Gamaliel Foundation was originally established in 1968 to support the Contract Buyers League, an African American organization fighting to protect homeowners on Chicago’s Westside who had been discriminated against by banks and saving and loan institutions. In l986, the Foundation was reorganized as an organizing institute providing resources to community leaders in the efforts to build and maintain powerful organizations in low income communities. The Gamaliel Foundation has grown from three to more than forty-five affiliates in seventeen states and in three provinces of South Africa.

And here’s the background on the Gamaliel/Obama connection from the foundation’s Gregory A. Galluzzo:

President elect Barack Obama has throughout his political career made repeated references to his time as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago. It is important that we all understand the connection between Barack and Gamaliel. In l980 Mary Gonzales and I created the United Neighborhood Organization of Chicago.

In l982 we decided that we needed some expertise from someone who had done faith based community organizing. A person who had worked as such an organizer in Illinois and in Pennsylvania approached me about joining our organizing team. His name was Jerry Kellman. Jerry helped Mary and myself become better organizers. While he was working for us, he connected with a group called the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) operating on the South Side in the South Suburbs of Chicago, and in Indiana. CCRC had been formed in response to the massive shut down of major industry and the resulting job loss and all of the concomitant social tragedies.

Jerry and I reached an understanding that we would support his work in the South Suburbs so that he could become director of his own project. It was Jerry Kellman who put an ad in the New York Times about an organizing position in the Chicago area. Barack responded; Jerry interviewed him and offered him a position. Barack accepted. Almost at this very time, Jerry propositioned an old friend of his to return to Chicago from Texas and work with him in this new organizing venture. His friend was Mike Kruglik. Mike and Jerry were the first mentors of Barack in organizing.

CCRC, which spanned communities in Northwest Indiana, the South Suburbs and parts of the City of Chicago proved to be unwieldy. Jerry and I decided to split it into three parts. Barack would work to found a new independent project in the South side of Chicago, Mike Kruglik would be the director of the South Suburban Action Conference and Jerry Kellman would develop organizing in Northwest Indiana. At that point Jerry asked me to become Barack’s consultant.

And at this time we were just creating the Gamaliel Foundation. I met with Barack on a regular basis as he incorporated the Developing Communities Project, as he moved the organization into action and as he developed the leadership structure for the organization. He would write beautiful and brilliant weekly reports about his work and the people he was engaging.

When Barack decided to go to Harvard Law School, he approached John McKnight, a professor at Northwestern and a Gamaliel Board member for a letter of recommendation. When Barack was leaving he made sure that Gamaliel was the formal consultant to the organization that he had created and to the staff that he had hired.

Barack has acknowledged publicly that he had been the director of a Gamaliel affiliate. He has supported Gamaliel throughout the years by conducting training both at the National Leadership Training events and at the African American Leadership Commission. He has also attended our public meetings.

We are honored and blessed by the connection between Barack and Gamaliel.

I HIGHLY recommend you watch the video, and see it for yourself.