may very well leads this country not only into bankrutcy, but also a civil war like division of it's people.

Na.

Won't happen right away, prolly take 5 years minimum.

I'd call for revolution, but I'm afraid of the helicopters.

Pitchforks and torches!

Civil War...try to picture 20+ million ilegal mexicans making a bee-line back to der fatherland.

LMAO!

JonR

Lizardo, unfortunately we may be closer than you think. There are many scenerios that, if happening in the right order at the right time, could be the tipping point. What happens if some states like CA or NY, can't pay or refuse to pay their federal taxes? What is the feds gonna do then? What if Obamacare passes today and VA, NC, TX and others get together and claim States Rights infringement, regardless of any Supremem Court ruling, and refuse to play along. The whole thing unconstitutional as the Fed govt has no abiliity to regulate healthcare intrastate. It would take a amendment to the Constitution to allow it. States have allowed Congress to assume control of too many facets of our life without challenge, and the Supreme Court has screwed up so horribly in the last 70 yrs that something has to give. The Constitution IS the law of the land and the founding fathers would be ashamed of us all for letting the feds get away with this.

Another entitlement we can't afford.

Welfare failed. Social Security is shaky.

Medicare/Medicaid is broke. Now we add

Obamacare on top of this mess? Who believes

that DC can manage anything? They're spendthrift

jerks, with taxpayer money.

IMHO we should take care of the entitlements

we already have BEFORE adding another, and

by far the largest.

Clean US House and Senate in 2010, 2012 and 2014!

Throw the bums out on their kiesters.

Chemyst

Part of the problem with the funding of many of these social programs is that people were added (eligibility changed) AFTER the start and funding was not adjusted. Medicare/Medicaid is far different and covers many more people than when first enacted in the late 60’s. Same with Social Security and early eligibility due to disability, etc.

In regard to the latest Healthcare Reform, I do believe that the CBO has indicated that it will actually reduce the deficit over 10 years:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/20/news/economy/cbo_reconciliation/ 

I will reserve judgement until I have read the final bill.

c3s

Apparently the House plans to pass some of

the more expensive provisions of Obamacare

as separate bills, later on.

So the CBO score is not based on complete

picture.

Chemyst

How many more doctors have been trained

to handle the additional 32 million

people that will have coverage?

None.

Another Great Plan, Washington!

Chemyst

^ do you really think that NONE of those people are getting care now?

C'mon ...... that is totally unrealistic!

c3s

If they're getting care now, why do we

need Obamacare?

Chemyst

sigh ....... you're kidding right????

c3s

Oh, and I am not saying that this bill is the answer, but something does need to happen on the healthcare front, AND the insurance companies really are a big part of the problem, which no one seems to want to acknowledge!

c3s

Yeah, and lawyers are part of the problem, too.

Millions of dollars for granny spilling hot

coffee on herself.

We need limits on lawsuit awards. No one is

worth more than $5-10 million, total, IMHO.

No a peep about tort reform in Obamacare.

Chemyst

Profit margins for insurers:

Humana: 3.4%

Wellpoint: 7.3%

UNH: 4.4%

Profit margins for drug manufacturers:

Pfizer: 17.3%

Eli Lilly: 19.8%

Sanofi-Aventus: 18.5%

We need death panels.

We spend an incredible amount of healthcare money on old people that are no longer productive to society.

It's really a circle jerk between the

overpaid doctors, insurance cos., and

malpractice lawyers.

They all point fingers at the others,

when they're all part of the problem.

I can't see perpetuating government

healthcare systems that are already broke.

The system needs a COMPLETE overhaul,

and it's not just insurance cos., as

Obama seems to think.

Chemyst

Medicare for everyone