but not for abortions for underage girls, what a country we live in where life is thrown away like some dirty piece of trash, this is what angers me about america!!

decasere: Statistically speaking of course, from this post, it would appear to me that you're opting to vote to give money to those persons you have classified as lazy and 'working the system' to sit at home all day, drink beer, and harass you on the CBid forum as they have nothing better to do with their lives. Hmm... well I'll be damned ... aren't you just the fickle one today .... LOL

I don't care how old a woman is, it is her right to not have to carry and have a child if she does not want to. If a twelve year old gets pregnant and decides to have an abortion, then she should be able to legally and safely obtain one. I wonder, is it better for someone who is not able to care for and love and support a child to have an abortion than for them to have a child that will not be loved, looked after and fed? Damn right it is! Is it okay for someone to think that abortion is wrong? Sure. But is it okay to think that your views on abortion should be the views of every one else? No! All these right to life freaks who insist on imposing their views on other people make me disgusted. It is no one's business, other than the individual, as to whether or not someone should get an abortion. Does the father have any rights? No. He is not carrying the fetus in his body, it is not his decision.

calavera: By chance did your girlfriend's parents not let her have an abortion and now you have to pay child support? Don't sugar-coat anything in this forum ... feel free to tell us how you really feel ...

...while we are at it, lets establish a grace period of say...one week? If said 12 year old tries to care for the child and finds it too much trouble, (cutting into her dance classes and time spent on the phone and at the mall and all) lets say she can have the baby put to sleep within the first week of birth. After all, better to murder the little **** early on than for him to grow up unloved, right?

HHmm... you know what I think would be a great idea? Well, it's rough at the edges right now, but I can allocate some time this weekend to think out the variables ... anyway - let's say ... the government will pay for any and all abortions that any woman wanted under any and all circumstances .... providing ... she would have to sign a contract to the effect of her acceptance and acknowledgment that at the same time of the abortion she would also be permanently sterilized. Additionally, we could round up all the dead-beat dads out there in society today and chemically castrate them along with the pedophiles and half of the Catholic priesthood. Hey, wow, am I on a roll today ... listen to this ... what do you say we all sponsor the establishment of local neighborhood crack/dope friendly apartment complexes (at least 500 feet away from a school zone or churches of course) and ... once a week ... (twice if it's popular enough and get's good ratings) we'll air on television a new sitcom with a name of ... hmm... "Crack Attack" ... well ... this is how it goes ... the apartment complex has 20 units total, completely furnished, maintained, rent & utility free to anyone who has a drug addiction. We'll also provide free booze and cigarettes While inside the complex, the tenants cannot be arrested or held liable for posession of or the illicit use of any drug or controlled substance. For the show, and in order for them to receive any drugs to support their habit (also free of charge), they have to all gather at a large table simultaneously and choose individually what specific drug they want a hit of ... (this is the kicker) ... they have to use the drug at the table and only at the table ... and ONE of the hits of the drug of choice (randomly selected) will be lethal to the individual that takes it ... we could also have contests to see who would get to be the next tenant at the complex.

Jimmy: no man, I don't have any kids. I just got worked up a little on the abortion issue and decided to vent a little. Crack Attack- now that is a killer idea, almost fell on the floor laughing when I read that one!

I have a tattoo in a very private area! At first it reads with the letters OK but when I get excited, it reads OKLAHOMA! My wife gave me permission! John

Jimmy, I'd laugh at Crack Attack if I didn't expect to see it on FOX in the next ten years. People will be lining up around the block to be on that one. That is unless someone wises up and legalizes drugs. Lastly, as a guy with 3 daughters, I would like to recieve a phone call before the tattoo or the abortion. Hopefully, it wouldn't be needed because my kids would talk to me about it first.

xrundog: ... and your telephone number is ???

Are you getting the tattoo or an abortion? I thought you were a guy! Goes to show you can't tell by a screen name.

xrundog: Oh .. not for me ... I'm just paying for it ...

Calavera: since when can a 12 year old girl make decisions on life and death? The kid can't skip school on her own, but you want to allow her to have a medical procedure performed on her? She can't drink alcohol, buy cigarettes, drive a car, or get a tooth pulled, but you want her to be allowed to have an invasive, life ending and potentially dangerous procedure at her own will and with no parental consent? You are truly off your rocker.

Let's face it, Abortion is the killing of a life. That's not a religious view, that's science. If a pregnant woman does NOTHING, a person will be born. On the other hand, if she goes full term, delivers the baby and THEN does nothing, the baby dies. And she is held responsible. Here's another angle: What if someone attacks a pregnant woman, stabs her in the gut and kills the baby. Is that murder if the mother lives? What if the woman was on her way to an abortion clinic? Choosing life is not like choosing which pair of shoes to wear. At least it shouldn't be...

Sorry Jimmy. I can't joke like that about my kids.

I believe if it's not your daughter, or your child, mind your own goddamn business. If you have your house in order, and you live without sin, wonderful. Give yourself a pat on the back. However, that does not give you the authority to tell me how I must live, or to tell me or anyone else what is right and wrong.

Tailgater:abortion is the termination of an unwanted pregnancy. The fetus is exactly that- a fetus. If it is old enough to survive entirely on its own, that is a different story. I think that it is the decision of the woman whether or not an abortion is right for her. I don't think that it is your decision to make for her whether she is twelve or thirty. One would certainly hope that she would seek advice from others, like her parents.

John (Todog) I laughed my head off at your post, but my private area tatto says Oklahoma is OK by Me! Sorry! Charlie

Wow, this one is heating up and I send out a joke post!!! Sorry for the insensitivity on my part!

After recently becoming a father, I can think of no better gift in life than to be blessed with a child. Mind you this comes from a "hardline bachelor". Our children are our future and should not be referred to as ANYTHING less than human regardless of what stage of developement they are in, in-utero or otherwise.