JohnE1000
Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:47:00 AM
I came across this, and I really liked it.

Martin Luther's Definition of Faith:

An excerpt from

"An Introduction to St. Paul's Letter to the Romans,"

Luther's German Bible of 1522

by Martin Luther, 1483-1546

Translated by Rev. Robert E. Smith

from DR. MARTIN LUTHER'S VERMISCHTE DEUTSCHE SCHRIFTEN.

Johann K. Irmischer, ed. Vol. 63

(Erlangen: Heyder and Zimmer, 1854), pp.124-125. [EA 63:124-125]

August 1994

Faith is not what some people think it is. Their human dream

is a delusion. Because they observe that faith is not followed by

good works or a better life, they fall into error, even though they

speak and hear much about faith. ``Faith is not enough,'' they

say, ``You must do good works, you must be pious to be saved.''

They think that, when you hear the gospel, you start working,

creating by your own strength a thankful heart which says, ``I

believe.'' That is what they think true faith is. But, because

this is a human idea, a dream, the heart never learns anything

from it, so it does nothing and reform doesn't come from this

`faith,' either.

Instead, faith is God's work in us, that changes us and gives

new birth from God. (John 1:13). It kills the Old Adam and makes us

completely different people. It changes our hearts, our spirits,

our thoughts and all our powers. It brings the Holy Spirit with

it. Yes, it is a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this

faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn't

stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone

asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without

ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an

unbeliever. He stumbles around and looks for faith and good

works, even though he does not know what faith or good works are.

Yet he gossips and chatters about faith and good works with many

words.

Faith is a living, bold trust in God's grace, so certain of

God's favor that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it.

Such confidence and knowledge of God's grace makes you happy,

joyful and bold in your relationship to God and all creatures. The

Holy Spirit makes this happen through faith. Because of it, you

freely, willingly and joyfully do good to everyone, serve

everyone, suffer all kinds of things, love and praise the God who

has shown you such grace. Thus, it is just as impossible to

separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from

fire! Therefore, watch out for your own false ideas and guard

against good-for-nothing gossips, who think they're smart enough

to define faith and works, but really are the greatest of fools.

Ask God to work faith in you, or you will remain forever without

faith, no matter what you wish, say or can do.

05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:48:00 AM
is there anyway to sing it to us??
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:51:00 AM
I would want to hear Maynard Keenan sing this.
05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:51:00 AM
or jack keenan
JadeRose
Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:11:00 PM
..but not jackconrad
05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:13:00 PM
only if he wears his pirate hat from disney.
simmons_j_m
Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:24:00 PM
Too long to read... feeling lazy today.
05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:24:00 PM
get the cliff notes
ZRX1200
Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:57:00 PM
Not my favorite George Michaels song.
uncleb
Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:59:00 PM
George Michael's definition of faith

Well I guess it would be nice

If I could touch your body

I know not everybody

Has got a body like you

But I've got to think twice

Before I give my heart away

And I know all the games you play

Because I play them too

Oh but I

Need some time off from that emotion

Time to pick my heart up off the floor

And when that love comes down

Without devotion

Well it takes a strong man baby

But I'm showing you the door

'Cause I gotta have faith...

Baby

I know you're asking me to stay

Say please, please, please, don't go away

You say I'm giving you the blues

Maybe

You mean every word you say

Can't help but think of yesterday

And another who tied me down to loverboy rules

Before this river

Becomes an ocean

Before you throw my heart back on the floor

Oh baby I reconsider

My foolish notion

Well I need someone to hold me

But I'll wait for something more

Yes I've gotta have faith...

greg6326
Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:01:00 PM
nein
greg6326
Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:09:00 PM
or eleven, twelve whatev. I like Limp Bizkit's version. especially live down in the pit, the girls go crazy....
05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:28:00 PM
^^^Yes thats a goot one^^
lluvia
Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:31:00 PM
"Faith is a living, bold trust in God’s grace, so certain of

God’s favor that it would risk death a thousand times trusting in it.

Such confidence and knowledge of God’s grace makes you happy,

joyful and bold in your relationship to God and all creatures. The

Holy Spirit makes this happen through faith. Because of it, you

freely, willingly and joyfully do good to everyone, serve

everyone, suffer all kinds of things, love and praise the God who

has shown you such grace. Thus, it is just as impossible to

separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from

fire! Therefore, watch out for your own false ideas and guard

against good-for-nothing gossips, who think they’re smart enough

to define faith and works, but really are the greatest of fools.

Ask God to work faith in you, or you will remain forever without

faith, no matter what you wish, say or can do."

Amen. I didn't understand ANYTHING about God's love until I finally learned what the word "grace" means.

05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:41:00 PM
it was always in google
cigarpal
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:16:00 PM
John, discourageing, isn't it.
05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:21:00 PM
ya gotta have faitha faitha faitha.......Baby!!!!
engletl
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:22:00 PM
Faith is part of my belief

While I have never "seen" I believe

05busa
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:25:00 PM
I had faith once........She was Ok but flexible!!!
andytv
Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:29:00 PM
Martin Luther was pretty smart for a guy who ate worms.