John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 7:48:00 AM
oocamper gave me an idea with his chainsaw post. I need to buy a weed eater this weekend and need some input on a good one to buy. I don't know that much about the features available. I have had cheap ones in the past but the strings breaking piZZed me off so I switched to Roundup. Well at the new house Roundup won't be allowed. I have a lot of trees and rocks, rocks and more rocks. All the edging is done in rocks. Because it is over an acre I believe gas power is the way to go. HELP.
teedubbya
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:09:00 AM
stihl
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:11:00 AM
What kind of blade, string, etc?
BLISTER
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:19:00 AM
Dave,

I've had a Ryobi 2-cycle straight string timmer for 9 years. That SOB always starts,has a ton of power, and you can buy attachments like tillers and blowers.

It's available from Home Depot for about $160.00

The only down side is with any 2-cycle engine- it's dirty and pollutes the air

Hope this helps, good luck in your new digs

cigarbidwidow
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:31:00 AM
I have seen the destruction David can do with Roundup. It is definitely not allowed at the new house.

How heavy are the gas powered ones? Since I will probably have to do most of the weed eating, I can't have it be too heavy but it needs to be heavy-duty enough to go around all the rocks.

teedubbya
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:32:00 AM
ya know how we are all kind of Cigar geeks? You know what I mean. You get with another cigar geek and have a normal conversation about cigars.... then you notice someone has been listening to you and they think you are insane....

Well there are several forumns on the net with a bunch of power lawn equipment geeks. I hung out with them for a couple months before buying my mower and string trimmer.

I came away wanting a John Deere mower and a stihl string trimmer lol

John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:33:00 AM
Sounds like a good deal Blister. Does "straight string" mean the kind that comes on a spool and you bang it on the ground to get more string out?
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:35:00 AM
TW, they actually have a power lawn tool forum?????? I like power tools!!!!1 Mostly ones that cut and grind and chip and mutilate.
BLISTER
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:39:00 AM
Not exactly. Most string trimmers have a curved metal bar that extends to the trim head. The curved heads can't generate as much power as the trimmers with a straight metal rod that extends to the trim head.

I've accidently weedwacked my leg with this bugger and you can do some damage(to the delight or agony of your wife, as the case may be).

Either way, they both have a bump head that feeds the line.

teedubbya
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:42:00 AM
yes they do have one and while I make light of it, they are very serious.

They argue Honda vs. John Deere Vs. Honda Vs. Toro

they argue 2 cycle vs 4 cycle (by the way evidently 2 cycle is better for very hilly lawns....unless you have a 4 cycle that actively circulates oil..which many do lol)

they argue tecumse (sp?) vs yamaha vs honda vs the world engines.

evidenlty Lawnboy (now owned by Toro which is why they have similay drive systems) is the colibri of mowers.

People yearn for the good old days when they were good, but now some people swear by them, but the enthusiests reject it sumarrily.

Very interesting group of folks. They helped me a lot (if you consider buying a mower and trimmer a major ordeal.... or you could just go buy something and mow lol)

teedubbya
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:43:00 AM
oh and you can never forget the Snapper Brigade.... they are small but vocal lol
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:45:00 AM
LOL
Wagner
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:47:00 AM
I just purchased the Ryobi and the tiller attachment. Haven't tried the tiller yet but the trimmer works great.
cigarbidwidow
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:49:00 AM
Oh no... David is going to be addicted to another forum. That is not good news. LOL.

teedubbya
Friday, June 10, 2005 8:54:00 AM
From Consumer reports about a year ago.... the lawn mowing forumn rejects consumer reports because they look at them as utility intruments and they are much more than that.... what about feel, beauty, happiness....

Faster starts, fewer tangles, and easier handling are among the string-trimmer features you'll find as manufacturers improve these bladeless yard tools.

Those developments have become talking points for the big-box stores that now account for most of the nearly 10 million string-trimmer sales each year. So have lower prices. While you'll still find $ 300 professional-grade trimmers at dealers, a growing number of mainstream models that cost less than half that price are now available at your local Home Depot, Lowe's, Sears, or Wal-Mart.

Still other improvements could increase the cost of some string trimmers no matter where they're sold. Here are this year's highlights:

Foolproof starts. Up to now, firing up the gasoline-powered trimmers that most people buy often involved a frustrating series of choke adjustments and yanks on the starter rope before the engine sputtered to life. A new system on Craftsman (Sears) and Troy-Bilt models requires three steps: Push the primer bulb, flip the choke lever, and pull the cord. Models with this system started with one or two pulls.

Snarl-free string. Tangled or jammed cutting line is another common problem. Some manufacturers have addressed it by replacing the usual spool with a fixed-line head that uses two precut pieces of cutting line. Found on Echo and Craftsman models, the system lets you replace lines quickly without tools. It also eliminates having to bump the head on the ground to release line - a source of jam-ups. While you'll need to replace line more frequently, the two pieces should handle most yards.

Slimmer trimmers. At 11 pounds on average, this year's gas trimmers are more than 1 pound lighter than those we tested only a few years ago. Some corded electric models are better balanced by mounting the motor on top, rather than at the bottom with the trimmer head.

A price for clean machines. Up to now, California has had the toughest small-engine emissions standards. That changes next year, when gas-powered trimmers and other handheld tools must meet tougher standard for all 50 states. Most of the 26 gas trimmers in this report meet current California rules and should meet nationwide limits for 2005.

So far, manufacturers have absorbed much of the cost of adding more-efficient carburetors and other technology. But industry experts predict price in increases of $ 10 to $ 20 per unit as costs go up.

HOW TO CHOOSE

You don't have to invest in a pricey, professional-grade trimmer unless you need its metal-blade capability for cutting saplings and other woody waste. Most of the gas trimmers and even some electrics we tested can handle the grass and tall weeds that account for most trimming.

See First Thing First, to determine whether a gas-powered or electric trimmer fits you needs. Then keep these points in mind at the store:

Consider the landscape. Trimmers with a straight shaft can reach beneath shrubs more easily and are less likely than curved-shaft ones to spatter you with clippings. Curved-shaft trimmers trade those benefits for easier maneuvering and, often, less weight - a plus for shorter users and those with less arm strength.

See how it feels. While a lighter trimmer tends to reduce fatigue, weight isn't the whole story. Good balance can be just as critical. To check it, adjust the front handle for comfort and hold the trimmer in the cutting position with both hands. Its weight should feel evenly distributed or slightly heavier at the top.

Also check that all the controls are smooth and easy to reach. If you're left-handed, make sure a gasoline-powered trimmer you're considering has deflector that routes the hot exhaust gases rearward. Most now include one.

Consider your neighbors. If they're close by, you may want to choose a corded or cordless electric trimmer. Nearly all the ones we tested are significantly less noisy than gasoline-powered models. If you opt for gas, protect your ears with ear muffs or plugs (see Health Wise).

CR Quick Recommendations

Many of these models can handle everything from trimming around fence posts to tall grass and weeds. All but five gas-powered models (noted in the Ratings) also meet the tougher emissions standards required for sale in California. Top performers add other strengths to that mix.

Easier handling is a major attribute, given these models' lighter weight and better balance. Most high-scoring models also have easty-to-reach controls. Nearly all have dual cutting lines, which speed cutting.

Noise is a major downside of most top performers. Exceptions among those that scored well include the corded-electric Ryobi (28) and the Black & Decker (29); both emitted less than 85 dBA at which we recommended ear protection. Note that the MTD-built Ryobi models tested differ from the newly introduced Ryobi models sold at Home Depot, which are made by another company and arrived too late for inclusion.

The Ratings rank models strictly by overall performance. See First Things First, to decide whether a gas or an electric trimmer meets your needs. Then check our Quick Picks for tested models that deliver specific strengths and value.

QUICK PICKS

Best for most people:

Troy-Bilt $ 130, CR Best Buy

Stihl $ 150

Toro $ 140

John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 9:03:00 AM
Thanks. I knew I came to the right place.

I kinda like the idea of the attachments.

Hmmmm, can't wait to go shopping.

00camper
Friday, June 10, 2005 9:17:00 AM
I have a ryobi trimmer as well. Starts fine every time, even with last years gas in it. You should check out Big Lots (or Odd Lots in some states) before you buy a trimmer at a hardware store because they have some really good deals outdoor items this time of year.
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 9:22:00 AM
No Big lots around that I know of. We have plenty of Home Depot, Lowes and Sears.
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 9:25:00 AM
Ok, so far we have 3- Ryobi and 1- Stihl.
John hay Cigars
Friday, June 10, 2005 9:26:00 AM
Consumer report says, Troy-bilt, Stihl, Toro.