Just a question here

Who thinks that our constitutional rights extend to persons not US citizens and not living in the US?

For that matter who thinks our constitutional rights extend to US citizens that are currently living or traveling in another country?

In particular Free Speech,assembly, self incrimination,trial by jury,unreasonable searches and seizures,and speedy trial.

I will leave out the right to bear arms because that is already infringed upon here.

"Who thinks that our constitutional rights extend to persons not US citizens and not living in the US?"

They Don't

For that matter who thinks our constitutional rights extend to US citizens that are currently living or traveling in another country?

One has to abide by the laws of the Country they are residing or traveling in.

In particular Free Speech,assembly, self incrimination,trial by jury,unreasonable searches and seizures,and speedy trial.

these all apply to the laws of that said country...

Hog

not U.S. citezen: constitutional: NO Right as human being: YES

U.S. Cit. abroad: YES!! What about soldiers in Iraq??

dd

my .02!!!

not U.S. citezen: constitutional: NO Right as human being: YES

U.S. Cit. abroad: YES!! What about soldiers in Iraq!!

dd

my .02!!!

Interesting question. I'm sure the constitution addresses the scope of it's application. If I get time today, I'll look into it.

My guess is that foreign guests enjoy constitutional rights and protections during their stay in the US.

Foreigners here illegally probably also receive this benefit to the extent, until they are detained and deported.

US travelers must abide by the laws in the country they are visiting.

These are my guesses based on my view of common sense.

sorry for 2x post and I agree with hog, misunderstood question!

sorry!

dd

"What about soldiers in Iraq!!"

Soldiers conform to the General Orders of the Military Laws... which also are still being established in Iraq (their own Constitution) in the meantime they still have to respect the Islamic Laws and faith's of the general population..

Hog

U.S. Cit. abroad: YES!! What about soldiers in Iraq!!

The soldiers in Iraq are covered under the rule of the

Geneva Convention and while on US bases I would assume they have constitutonal rights

But I don't think that any captured soldiers in Iraq or Afganistan enjoyrights,nor are the kidnapped US citizens especially the ones that were beheaded

Andy.. I've got a couple websites I'll locate and post for you...

the initial question above.. visitors to this country aside from Diplomats and Foriegn Dignitary's have to abide as well to the laws of this land.. and yes while they are hear and or commit a crime.. they are subjected to our constitutional laws... minus the Diplomats and FD's...

Imigration laws have always caused a problem when it comes to illegally being in this country... Thus the years of controversy on this issue..

Hog

"The soldiers in Iraq are covered under the rule of the

Geneva Convention and while on US bases I would assume they have constitutonal rights "

actually, the UCMJ dictates the rights and rules of the US military. it overrides the constitution.

The reason I posed this question is that time and time again I hear the media make reference to rights we are afforded in reports of incidents that happen abroad as if our rights are global and should be honored worldwide. They especially like to claim freedom of the press as a global right

Who thinks that our constitutional rights extend to persons not US citizens and not living in the US?

I don't see how this is possible a government can only exercise power for those who are in its juristiction.

For that matter who thinks our constitutional rights extend to US citizens that are currently living or traveling in another country?

I can only see this in regards to absentee voting, but I can't see our government protecting our freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia. I believe they ask us to refrain from a number of things we allow ourselves.

thank you lofty and hog... I was unsure on the UCMJ

The Constitution is null and void outside the borders of the United States, her possessions and territories. Military bases and embassies are territories for purposes of the Constitution.

US citizens abroad (outside the border) are not protected by the Constituion. Non-citizens visiting the US (inside the border) are protected by the Constitution. Non-citizens outside the border (in other countries) are not protected by the Constitution.

US military personnel are covered by the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice vis a vis actions while on duty. For actions while off duty and while outside the border, local laws would apply.

We have to establish what we are talking about here...

Are we saying that our Const. Rights protect us while abroad in regards to US interest? If so, then the answer is YES.

Are we asking if our Const. Rights protect us from the laws of the country we are in? If so, then the answer is NO.

For example: My constitutional rights give me the freedom to speak my mind on this forum board to the extent as the board allows. I am protected from any punishment (within the Const.) within the USA. However, if what I am typing on this computer breaks the laws of the country I am in, and I type it here in this country, then they can punish me.

The UCMJ and the constitution are two totally different documents, for totally different sets of circumstances.. One cannot over ride the other.

let me stick this right here:

I typed out a frikin long reply and LOST IT..

So in short.. the UCMJ is not in place of Constitutional Rights for Soldiers it is an extension for their rights.. many elected officials and high ranking officials would like to have Soldiers believe they loose their constitutional rights when they sign the dotted line but that is not the case...

Hog

PS.. what Tarheel said also...

Our constitutional rights do not extend to Non US citizens not living in the US.

Once you leave the United States, you are not covered by U.S. laws and constitutional rights.

With both of those things being said the United Nations covenant on Civil and Political Rights have some provisions that very closely parallel the constitutional rights we enjoy.