bassdude
cigarhusker
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:16:00 AM
Great, just what we need: Citizens with assault rifles.
DrafterX
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:31:00 AM
Citizens have always had them. Even after the Brady thing went into effect you still buy the mini-14 the guy is holding the picture. It's been well over a year since this expired. I haven't seen thugs with assault rifles in my neighborhood.
bassdude
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:35:00 AM
husker - you need to read the article.
Tuckersdad
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:45:00 AM
The answer to the street violence is not to take weapons from responsible citizens and sportsmen. Criminals laugh, they don't buy theirs from licensed retailers, and they will always have access to them. To disarm good citizens is to make us all sheeple, and leave us at the mercy of the criminal element. The writers of the constitution said it well, so should it be.
sloth
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:47:00 AM
yup been well over a year ago...

i hear they sold more than Nintendo DS...

bassdude
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:50:00 AM
Most folks have no clue it even happened. Yet they'll jump to denounce it.

Has crime gone up? I think Tuck summed it up nicely.

just for fun - I am the NRA. I also see no real need for fully auto weapons unless you want to kill people or just target practice.

EI
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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:52:00 AM
during the assault weapons ban you could buy a Russian Made SKS with a folding blade bayonet for around 150 bucks

But you could not buy a Chinesse Made SKS with a folding spike bayonet for 99 bucks

Why was this possible?

Because Clinton did not want to lose his Russian support and allowed the Russian made assault weapon to be labeled "curio"

He also allowed shiploads of Russian made 7.62 ammo to be imported and it could be bought for around $7.00 per 100 rounds

So now I have Russian Made SKS with matching serial numbers and folding bayonet fresh from the Tula Arsenal

along with about 3,000 rounds of ammunition

Now that Russian made SKS sells for about 600 bucks

see clinton was all bad

dadank73
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:52:00 AM
Right on Tuck!!

Those that applaud this have no clue!!!

rugrunner
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:52:00 AM
The ban was moronic from the get go. The banned weapons were sold the entire time the ban was in effect, with small modifications. Just more pabulum for the left.
EI
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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:57:00 AM
Oh and by the way... just for the uninformed gun control advocates out there

True Assault rifles are selective fire - they can be set to fire in either semi-automatic mode or full-automatic mode. No rifle available in the USA to civilians without special, difficult to get licenses has been fully automatic since the 30s

dup
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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:59:00 AM
I am a gun toting card carrying member of the NRA!

and as stated...it isn't the gun owners that are the problem. it's the illegal gun runners selling the illegal guns to gangs.

to agree with "just one ban" opens the door for them to ban even more!

"what if" for the sake of argument some force invades the US......i know it's not thought of as being reasonable...but "if" one did! i sure would want my guns to defend and protect myself!

the military would do a crack up job.....but any help would end it quicker!

i'm for the right to bare arms! and am against the ones trying to take that right away! i feel safe knowing i "could" defend if needed! without it....what ya gonna do??? throw rocks? beat them with a stick?

bring a whip to a gun fight....you loose!

and if by chance you do happen to get one of thier guns...you feel safer and are able to defend yourself and wonder.......

"why didn't i have one of these to begin with!!!"

usahog
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:03:00 PM
what EI said... I had a Chinese SKS back (99 buck$) in the early 90's I melted the barrel on firing it so much...

when the ban went through, I sold that POS for a couple hundred.. I even told the guy the barrel was roached.. he didn't care he wanted it because he couldn't buy one anymore (dipsh!t or sucker?) also had an M1 Grand '308' I had to get rid of to help pay some bills from a divorce.. (man I loved that Gun) but I trippled my money on it and paid off debts...

Hog

lukin
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:05:00 PM
I don't own guns...never have, never will. I have only fired a gun a few times in my life. It never interested me.

I feel much more comfortable knowing that responsible people have access to an arsenal than just the deviants in our society. Banning weapons is just another assault on our freedoms as Americans.

Sylance
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:30:00 PM
Haven't posted in awhile, but I thought I'd add something to this. It's not mine, but something I've held onto for awhile... and refer back to numerous times as the pop-culture attack weighs on me and at times can confuse me. There's more... but I thought I'd post a digestable amount.

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Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs by LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:

"We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there that will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep.

There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16 (or a legal carrying citizen.) The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference."

EI
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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:34:00 PM
You forgot to add the Sheep hearders

Those are the liberal leadership that say they care about the sheep but shear them and put restraints on the sheepdog that protects them and gives up some of the sheep to the wolves to prove the point that they need more money to protect their sheep

8trackdisco
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:27:00 PM
Lets all go to the gun-store.

Lets all go to the gun-store.

Lets all go to the gun-store.

And get ourself a brand new gun.

There is something special about an automatic weapon on the first week of November. You can get 6 pumpkins for a buck.

For five dollars you can have one heck of a show.

andytv
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:47:00 PM
If I could afford an automatic weapon, I would have one.

I have several "legal" semi-autos that were "criminalized" by the ban........I'm glad that is over now so I can go back to shooting innocent people at random.

cigarhusker
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:25:00 PM
My problem with much of the rhetoric spewed above is that it ignores the *level* of the gun.

I'm all for guns. Any criminal who wants to invade my home will meet up with the 12-gauge Remington Wingmaster 870 in my bedroom that was passed on to me by my father.

I just find it ludicrous that citizens think they need access to full-on military assault weapons. I think it does more good to ban those than to have everybody running around like Rambo.

But whatever. Carry on. Go blow something up. LOL.

andytv
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:27:00 PM
many high ranking government officials agree with you.