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Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:31:00 PM
Princeton University professor and columnist Paul Krugman deservedly won Forbes.com's "Dunce of the Week" award for his New York Times column "French Family Values" (July 29, 2005). Krugman asks, "But are European economies really doing that badly? The answer is no," adding that "Americans are doing a lot of strutting these days, but a head-to-head comparison between the economies of the United States and Europe — France, in particular — shows that the big difference is in priorities, not performance. We're talking about two highly productive societies that have made a different tradeoff between work and family time."

Krugman's assertion is basically this: The income gap, about 40 percent, is not the result of lower efficiency in Europe. It is the result of Europeans working less than Americans. Not because they can't find work, but because they work fewer hours, preferring to spend more time with their families and on leisure activities.

Contrast Krugman's nonsensical argument with New America Foundation senior fellow Joel Kotkin's findings in "America Still Beckons," published by The American Enterprise magazine (October-December 2005). Kotkin says that Europe has weakened considerably. "Since the 1970s, America has created some 57 million new jobs, compared to just 4 million in Europe (with most of those in government). For the last quarter century, the United States has enjoyed consistently higher rates of economic growth and productivity than European countries, and the gap has been widening. The United States is now at the forefront in many critical global industries, particularly finance, technology, and entertainment." Europe's "portion of world GDP dropped from 34 percent to 20 percent between 1913 and 1998, while the United States held its own at about 22 percent of global GDP."

In the same edition of The American Enterprise, Karl Zinsmeister's article, "Europe Learns the Wrong Lessons," says, "In France, Italy, Germany, and Belgium, approximately a quarter of all workers under 25 are currently unemployed." High minimum wages and employment protection regulations make it nearly impossible to fire people, thereby making it costly to hire them. Europe's stagnation and decline might explain why its best brains are leaving in droves.

Kotkin reports: "Some 400,000 E.U. science and technology graduates currently reside in the United States, and barely one in seven, according to a recent European Commission poll, intend to return." It's not only the best brains who migrate to our country; poor people come as well. There's one important difference between the world's poor who come to America and those who go to Europe. The poor tend to prosper much more here than they do in Europe. American success and European jealousy might explain some of their anti-Americanism, particularly virulent among Europe's elite.

Zinsmeister reports that when "Asked which countries are the biggest threat to world peace, Europeans name the U.S. as often as North Korea and Iran (each are picked by 53 percent). Countries characterized by Euros as less menacing than the U.S. include Syria, Iraq, Russia, China, Afghanistan, and Libya."

Olaf Gersemann's article in The American Enterprise, "Europe's Not Working," says, "Nearly every top politician in Germany is on record giving a grave, smug warning about the danger of letting 'American conditions' seep into the German economy. In Germany's economic debate, 'American conditions' is code for stiff economic competition, low taxes, minimal state intrusion, and limited duration welfare payments." Many American elites share Europeans' anti-Americanism. They're also against "American conditions" and want us to have Europe's high taxes, highly regulated economy and socialized medicine. They also want us to share the European lack of will to protect themselves.

In the past, Europeans were unwilling or unable to protect themselves against Nazism and communism. Now they demonstrate an unwillingness to protect themselves against Islam hell-bent on conquering the West. We just might have to pull Europe's chestnut out of the fire — again.

Walter Williams

Stevo8785
Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:09:00 PM
I think it also hurts their productivity that in the summer a lot of people take a month long vacation.

A freakin month

adroomi
Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:58:00 PM
I don't get your title..."Leftist Hate for America."

Your article is written by a right wing anti-European, and in fact anti-anything-but-America nut, and although it starts out as a critical essay on this Krug fellows article, it quickly turns into an Anti-European flame against the EU and a few other countries. The final paragraph is nothing more than heresay and an attempt to blame every country out there for not "killing muslims."

Can you not see through the propaganda?

You should have called this article...."Why I hate other countries."

xibbumbero
Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:00:00 PM
That observation will fall on deaf ears. X
adroomi
Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:04:00 PM
...and I'll be called anti-American for posting it.

00camper
Monday, November 28, 2005 3:53:00 AM
okay, how do you explain the income/growth gap between the euro zone and the USA?

I think the points are accurate. You think they're not.

How would you explain the difference. And don't use any Asian economy as an example since the topic here is European v. American growth.

00camper
Monday, November 28, 2005 4:59:00 AM
I'll keep this topped for a while to see if I get a serious answer to a serious question.
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Monday, November 28, 2005 7:30:00 AM
adroomi, it wasn't my title, it was his. The views are also his. And your characterization of Mr. Williams is a stretch. Also, most communications, print, broadcast, tom-tom, smoke signal or 2 cans and a string are propaganda.

CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

Argue the points he makes. You just went right for the personal attack. That's not debate.

00camper
Monday, November 28, 2005 2:34:00 PM
...still waiting...
00camper
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:40:00 AM
**sigh**
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:51:00 AM
Sorry 00Camper.

It seems that after the initial burst of condescension and slander, they're spent.

00camper
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:53:00 AM
Probably right, THL, but I keep on hoping otherwise.
adroomi
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:31:00 AM
I'll say it again....

It starts out as a critical essay of the article in question (that means it has value and is worth reading, and is based upon well-thought out meaning).

Then it turns into an "anti-EU" flame message (ie the part about "pulling the EU's chestnut out again" based on them NOT supporting our goals of waging war against the Muslims in Iraq). That's where the writer handed his credibility over on a plate to the fools that will email this crap (that started out as good writing) back and forth to each other (as if they knew the first thing about foreign policy in the first place, most of them can't even point to Prague on a map.....by the way, can you?)

00camper
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:43:00 AM
alrighty, then.

My ability to ace a geography quiz is not relevant to the topic at hand.

The question remains: how do you explain the difference in economic growth rates between the EU countries and the United States?

Whether you like the author's approach, or believe it to be a "USA, USA" cheer, there is still the pesky little difference between American and European economic growth.

I was just hoping to discuss the topic.

My view is still the same. What's yours?

adroomi
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:24:00 AM
I think Scandinavia is a role model for both of us.....

Socialism has it's ups and downs, but yet so does Capitalism. They both fall and rise over time. We're on the up now, but I feel a fall coming.

For example:

Socialism has solidarity and everyone is taken care of. Unfortunately, if you look at about 1917 (Bolshevik) and follow it through to 1989 (Berlin Wall), you'll see the easy failures.

.While capitalism raises entrepreneurial development, it fails in the distribution of wealth and success, and even those that are innovative, but not in the right part of town or social circle are left behind, thereby wasting valuable resources. The Winner Takes All economies of the USA and UK will and are failing.

Again....we should look to Scandinavia.

00camper
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38:00 AM
Okay, I'll stipulate that the Scandinavians make a fair-to-good car and a decent cell phone. And they're pretty good at surviving cold weather.

However, that still doesn't answer the question: how do you explain the difference between American and European economic growth rates?

00camper
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:31:00 AM
I give up. Sorry I wasted everybody's time.
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:09:00 PM
Duh...... Prague, Wisconsin ?

Adroomi,

You answered none of the arguments put forth except with vague, emotional, leftist claptrap and a couple of insults. Socialism, (your favorite), is usually considered leftist so, I feel safe calling you a leftist. You seem to basically like the Skandinavians because they're nicer. Very convincing.

How are the US and UK economies failing other than in your fantasies?

What's on Oprah?

andytv
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13:00 PM
Go and try to get a good hamburger in Scandinavia..........can't do it.

Scandinavia is not for me.............NO thank you.

ruggysgirl
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:21:00 PM
Scandinavia has a Socialist economy, true. That is why my MIL travels abroad to buy things like meat and chocolate, because they are too expensive in Norway. That is why she had to come back to the United States to have a benign brain tumor removed. That is why at 71 years of age no one in Norway wants to see if the radiating left arm pain she has been having is cardiac in nature. But they do have nice sweaters!

Heather