I'm following 8tracks method, since it seems to work. He and I were able to meet in good terms.

On several occaisions yourself, your wife (ruggysgirl) and a few others on this board has mentioned that I supposedly made "rude comments" or "attacked you through your children." On one occasion from another member of this forum, and several times from me, it has been asked of you to explain this, however you haven't.

Maybe you misunderstood something, or maybe you're just a jerk trying to flame me by making claims that I have spoken ill about your kids....it's hard to say.

I have NEVER spoken poorly about your children. I am asking you to please clarify this. If there has been a misunderstanding, then lets clear it up.

If you choose not to explain this, then I ask you to please never mention again how you were "attacked by using your children."

That's just plain sickening to me.

If I wanted to attack the Rugrunners through their children, I would send them drums...and horns....and lots of candy.

...and them shoes that squeek when you walk.....

and anime movies.

Movies of Sponge Bob, Barney the Dinasuour, etc! LOL

Charlie

enough of this threadjacking (LOL).

I not speaking for rug, but the search feature on CBid does not allow keyword searches further back than 3 months!

I seem to recall that Adroomi took a pot shot at Rug's kids in the heat of battle........perhaps a moment of weakness; but it was SOME time ago.....lost to the ages now unless someone were agreeable to reading a jillion posts.........would not be worth it to me.

That being said, I would love to see the air cleared here.

Adroomi, unlike 8 track, you are posting this to avoid my post on his thread and to pull me into a fight. Sorry, I'm not going down that road with you again. I have friends that I enjoy interacting with here, and I'm not risking getting booted again over fighting with you, you're not worth it. You never were, but I needed to go on "vacation" to see that.

If you want me to cut and paste it I will.

Until you back up what you say, your calls for others to do so are ridiculous.

I think the two of us getting a time out proves you aren't the boss around here. So stop laying down the law and making proclamations.

Boring. Don't you get tired of raising everyone's ire?

Andy, my kids won't eat candy and they are only interested in educational and music dvds.

The noisy toys would make my wife send a band of armed gypsy women after you though.

All wearing big boots…

very well then............I'll send instructional videos on how to play the bagpipes.

that gypsy women thing don't sound so bad either!

I forgot to mention they are all members of the now defunct east Germen ladies (post operative anyway) swim team. Enjoy!

Rug,

Yes...I want you to cut and paste it.

Either that or stop bringing it up like you did on that last thread.

Andy,

I never took a potshot at Rugs kids. He was argueing with someone about something and he said something about his own kids. Maybe it wasn't my place, but I made a post that said, "hey rug, don't bring your kids into this man.....kids have no place on this forum." I did not mean it in any way, other than to suggest that he NOT give the opportunity for someone to badmouth his children. By that I meant that kids, wives, families, should not be brought into arguements on this forum. It's too easy for someone to say something that can cause TRUELY hurt feelings. He then came back with a bunch of BS about "don't tell me how to raise my kids, and when and where I should and shouldn't talk about them!"

From there it went downhill with both him and his missus accusing me of "attacking" their kids, and badmouthing thier family.

Maybe it was misunderstood, I don't know, but when I said it, I meant it as a suggestion. I personally don't like people talking about others families.

To this day, no less than 3 times rug has mentioned how I "attacked him through his kids." I find this sickening.

Copy and paste it rug.

I will tell you this...man to man:

I never attacked you through your kids. When I gave you a piece of friendly advice to NOT bring your kids into an arguement, I was trying to prevent the chance that someone might say something bad about them to you. I hope you understand that.

79. Author: rugrunner Date: 02/12/2006 01:28 AM Reply

With all due respect to 8's wish to let this lie, I have one thing to add.

Adroomi, before you go demanding proof of a statement, you need to start providing it yourself. I have yet to see you source anything when asked. The latest example was your assertion that the NSA wiretaps were on completely domestic calls. Even the minority leader of the house intel committee admits that not to be the case. I asked you several times before you went on your vacation that started and ended exactly when I was given a time out.

Also, I never claimed that until this thread. I have heard others say it, and I remember it, but until now I have never mentioned it since I called you on it the day you posted it.

Until you can do it , stop demanding it of everyone else.

If I have, maybe you would like to show me where?

Now, I too am done here.

Uh Rug......This is what you said:

"I have been besmertched by many. On this board and in real life. My ex wife acused me of abusing her and my children to serve her own needs. I have custody(after a long leal fight) so I guess it didn't work.

When I am called names etc I always try to consider the source. If my wife is disapointed in my actions or words i take it hard. If it's Adroomi I consider the source. I knew what kind of man (used loosly) he was when he attacked me through my handicapped children."

Do you remember now?

Adroomi, I forgot about the many references you made about my kids and your so called parenting advice. Thanks for reminding me of those shots as well. They were also used to attack me through my kids, just not in a straightforward manner.

I think you are missing what I am saying so here it is one more time-

Because you are notorious for posting things with out backing them up or listing a source, even when asked repeatedly, you have no business asking it of others! You don't have the ability to demand of others what you refuse to provide.

I'm sure you will continue to ignore that point, even though it is the only one I am asking you to grasp. This might be a shock to you but just because you don't like what I have to say, doesn't mean you can pretend I didn't say it. I am not proving anything to you ever until you do likewise.

Anyway, a few posts back you as much as admit to it so just pretend you got an answer and move along.

As Wyatt said in Tombstone "I'm not gonna fight you today Johnny, there's no money in it".

Now I’m done here too.

Rug,

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ME PROVING OR NOT THE THINGS I SAY!!!!

You told this board that I attack you through your kids. You have done so again in your last post above (first paragraph!)

Now....either clarify that I did or apologize.

Quit backing out of it!

I did NOT EVER attack you through your kids, and I NEVER have spoken poorly of your kids. Families are to be cherished.....

Now.....are you going to prove it or apologize.

Be a man damn you!

that is about to get yanked...careful boys.

Adroomi,

Why don't you BOTH just let it drop.

Adroomi, I remember a little about what Andy TV said.

You BOTH have said some unflattering things about each other and your families so why don't you STF up about this and let it go.

I actually enjoy reading some of your posts. So why keep on with this? If we have to find our sense of self worth by what others say about us on a CIGAR board for Gods sake we are lacking in something. I know who I am and what I stand for. All this talk of besmirtching peoples names and gotta get this resolved smacks of macho posturing to me. Let this go and keep on stirring the pot, before you find yorself banned again, cause it looks like this could get ugly.

Praise and recognition, though nice, are easily come by on this board. Send good cigars and plenty of them in trades and bombs, do your best not to rock the boat in your talk of others or of politics and it is easy to find popularity. It is far less easy to find out who the REAL person behind the keybord is. I suggest we all concentrate more on this. Who knows, we could find some friends for life.

Erik

Well put, Erik.