daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:34:52 PM
I'll try and keep it short...

8-[

The lights (can lights) in our familyroom don't work when switched on. Coincidentally, an outlet in the hallway, just outside the family room doesn't work, and also the light in the entry/foyer (although it's not quite big enough to call a "foyer") does not work either. I'm guessing they share the same circuit. The confusing thing is, is that the circuit is not blown or switched off.

When this started, it was an on again off again thing...the lights and outlet worked all day, would go out for a little bit, and start working again. When it started to do it more frequently, late last week, I would just flip the circuit off then on again to see if it would help. IIR, the first time I switched the circuit off/on, the lights started working..but I don't recall if it was immediate or took a minute or two, but the lights and outlet started working (and it may not have had anything to do with my switching the circuit off/on). Then when they stopped working again, the switching of the circuit off/on didn't do the trick anymore. So, my guess is maybe it is a faulty circuit, even though the circuit doesn't go off when the lights and outlet stop working. We had this problem about a year ago with a circuit, in a different part of the house IIR. I was trying to remember the problem back then, and I think that the problem then was that the circuit would go off, and when I'd try and turn it back on it would immediately go off (and probably make an intimidating "POOF" or "POPPING" sound...not good).

What say ye....

05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:36:41 PM
sounds like a loose connection
daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:37:32 PM

sounds like a loose connection

05busa wrote:

ahhhh....it's all becoming clear to me.... 🤨

LOL

05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:41:26 PM
is it knob and tube electric???
daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:46:09 PM

is it knob and tube electric???

05busa wrote:

This is not a thread to discuss your sexual preferences....move along. 🖐

05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:46:48 PM
U no like tube???
f16devils
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:58:57 PM
What Busa said can be the problem. Unfortunately you would need to look at all of your connections. Check the outlet and switches first. If the wires have been installed in the holes in the back (friction locks it in place) that can wear out after time. Better for them to be installed on the screws.
daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 4:58:58 PM

U no like tube???

05busa wrote:

Cookie dough in a tube is pretty good. 😰

now I'm threadjacking my own thread 🤨

05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:00:11 PM
HeHe
daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:00:32 PM

What Busa said can be the problem. Unfortunately you would need to look at all of your connections. Check the outlet and switches first. If the wires have been installed in the holes in the back (friction locks it in place) that can wear out after time. Better for them to be installed on the screws.

f16devils wrote:

I did pull out the family room light switch (dimmer). Everything seems to be ok...wires are held by screws. I didn't check the outlet or the other hall light switches.

mikey1597
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:07:19 PM
Could be a loose neutral, they can cause problems in several rooms and no rhyme or reason to whats goin on.
dstieger
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:12:48 PM
Had a very similar problem with lights and outlets in downstairs den of my last house. Drove me and a couple electricians nuts for months one summer/fall. Checked every outlet, switch, wire run; replaced breakers and still had intermittent problems. Following December, when plugging the Christmas tree lights into a floor outlet in room above, I opened the outlet cover and it was charred. The outlet was seriously fried. Popped out the outlet and the housing and even surrounding joists were blackened. I don't know how we didn't have a fire. Only used that outlet for holiday lights and since it was in totally different room, I never even considered checking it.
05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 5:15:34 PM

ahhhh....it's all becoming clear to me.... 🤨

LOL

daveincincy wrote:

Feel the walls and make sure its not hot inside the drywall.

andytv
Monday, December 6, 2010 6:43:43 PM
if you have visual access to your wiring runs from the basement, you might be able to divide the circuit and determine where to focus your efforts.

A volt meter is really helpful for finding where you are dropping power, but you can probably deduce it by just plugging things in as well.

At some point, you should determine where your feed from the breaker enters the circuit. Work down the line and find out where the connection breaks.

Wire nuts are a likely culprit...........you may find a bunch of white wires tied into wire nuts in the switch boxes.

Re-do these connections, paying close attention to be sure you have a good electrical AND mechanical connection.

daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:21:45 PM
So my neighbor (an engineer) came over. He checked the circuits/box with a voltmeter, and all seems ok there. We went around to all the switches and outlets that I know of (so far) that are affected....and according to him, there is "continuity" but no voltage. 🤔 At that point he has nothing else to offer other than there is something "upstream" that is affecting the tested outlets and switches. All the wires are on the switches and outlets we looked at. I guess I'll have to keep checking other random outlets and check them like dsteigers ran into. There is one outlet behind the couch that I didn't open up, but I was able to plug the vacuum into it to see if it worked...and it doesn't.
05busa
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:23:29 PM
ZAAAAPPPPPPPP
andytv
Monday, December 6, 2010 7:28:05 PM

So my neighbor (an engineer) came over. He checked the circuits/box with a voltmeter, and all seems ok there. We went around to all the switches and outlets that I know of (so far) that are affected....and according to him, there is "continuity" but no voltage. 🤔 At that point he has nothing else to offer other than there is something "upstream" that is affecting the tested outlets and switches. All the wires are on the switches and outlets we looked at. I guess I'll have to keep checking other random outlets and check them like dsteigers ran into. There is one outlet behind the couch that I didn't open up, but I was able to plug the vacuum into it to see if it worked...and it doesn't.

daveincincy wrote:

Typical engineer............ran a test which produced useless results, blamed it on another department, then left.

delarob
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:20:48 PM
Set fire to the house now and collect the Ins Money. It's bound to happen when you're at work.
FATASH
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:25:24 PM
It's the old single throw double pole 220. Carefull that nutural will bite ya...
daveincincy
Monday, December 6, 2010 8:35:12 PM

Set fire to the house now and collect the Ins Money. It's bound to happen when you're at work.

delarob wrote:

aka Jewish Lightening. =d>

So I checked the outlet mentioned above, behind the couch, and it has no voltage, just "continuity." After that I went on a mission through the entire house, 1st floor, 2nd floor, basement, and sub-basement aka tinfoil room aka fallout shelter (just kidding), and checked all light switches and outlets. Well, maybe not every light switch. I didn't check the ones that actually turned on/off a light when switched...I assumed it worked at that point. I found 2 outlets and one switch with no voltage (just continuity) in one of the bedrooms (upstairs)...if that means anything. So I've narrowed it down to 4 outlets and 4 switches. Two of those light switches are 3-ways (2 switches that turn on one light, in the entryway). Good news is none of the switches or outlets look fried. I guess that's good and bad. Good that nothing started fire. Bad that I still have no clue and couldn't pinpoint it to one outlet or switch saving me the expense of an electrician. 🤦

So, that's all I got. I guess I can pass that info along to the electrician when he shows up...fwiw.

edit: I almost forgot...while going through the entire house, I found my old Evel Knevel lunchbox in the basement. AND it had the thermos. I thought I lost the thermos, but there it was in the lunchbox.