cacman
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Monday, December 13, 2010 4:46:42 AM
Converted an old fridge into a beermeister. I keep it in a cold-pantry off the kitchen (pantry temp around 40-45°). The fridge is turned down to the lowest temp and the beerline has been wrapped with pipe insulation, but it continues to freeze. Starting to think the insulation on the line is keeping the cold in and causing it to freeze faster. I've tried a double hose on the line, threading the beerline through a larger hose for added air space between the lines, but that just makes it harder to thaw.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to insulate the line to keep it from freezing?

andytv
Monday, December 13, 2010 7:18:25 AM
To my knowledge, this age old issue with home made beer fridges has never been solved.

Maybe try a beer with a higher ABV%.

tonyt722
Monday, December 13, 2010 7:22:32 AM
Turn the fridge temp up a bit and pour beer into a frozen mug.
delarob
Monday, December 13, 2010 10:55:27 AM
You have a fridege converted to a beermeister. If the temp in the fridge is roughly 40 degrees, why are you insulating the beer line? Is it sticking outside of the fridge? Did you run the beer line through the freezer?

What type of fridge did you use? A smaller sanyo style? If you ran the taps out of the top, you may be touching cooling lines and are freezing that way. A lot of people run their taps through the door for this very reason.

Would need more info/pics.

Nicar
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:30:18 AM

Turn the fridge temp up a bit and pour beer into a frozen mug.

tonyt722 wrote:

A frozen mug???? That is sacrilegious!

HockeyDad
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:31:46 AM
A frozen mug won't hurt your Coors Light. It is frost brewed.
tonyt722
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:34:10 AM

A frozen mug won't hurt your Coors Light. It is frost brewed.

HockeyDad wrote:

BINGO! And if you leave your hand on the mug long enough it will turn blue like the mountains

Nicar
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:37:12 AM
There's a bar I like to go to that has tons of beers. On the back of the bar they have a sign that reads..

"Only amateurs ask for frozen mugs!"

rockmeister
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:42:08 AM

What andy said........and

I kept a thermometer in the fridge till I figured out the settings in my old kegerator. Haven't touched it in years now and the best temp for the old bitch is 28.....

MACS
Monday, December 13, 2010 12:31:41 PM

There's a bar I like to go to that has tons of beers. On the back of the bar they have a sign that reads..

"Only amateurs ask for frozen mugs!"

Nicar wrote:

I'd like to ask if anyone in the room believes I am an amateur beer drinker? I was a sailor for 20 yrs. I have traveled the world and drank beers in more than a dozen countries, including the Holy Grail... Germany.

Why is it considered amateur to ask for a frozen mug? (note: I have 3 frozen mugs in my freezer that I will use, on occasion)

What is so bad about a frozen mug?

J.Redleg
Monday, December 13, 2010 12:42:07 PM
Unless it's a stout, the thin layer of ice that forms on top of the beer in a frosted mug is great.

As far as the line freezing issue, are you piping the beer near the condensor or coils? A line, even with the low alcohol content of Coors Lite, shouldn't be freezing until you get to the teens.

Nicar
Monday, December 13, 2010 12:51:10 PM

I'd like to ask if anyone in the room believes I am an amateur beer drinker? I was a sailor for 20 yrs. I have traveled the world and drank beers in more than a dozen countries, including the Holy Grail... Germany.

Why is it considered amateur to ask for a frozen mug? (note: I have 3 frozen mugs in my freezer that I will use, on occasion)

What is so bad about a frozen mug?

MACS wrote:

Well, most people that want the frozen mug, always wants an ice ice cold beer, below 40degrees, also, they (the majority, tend to like the "lesser flavored" beers.

I got a nice pewter mug that keeps the temperature of my beer nice and cold. Have had it for a long time, just started using it more.

MACS
Monday, December 13, 2010 1:16:47 PM
I usually use my mugs when I can't find the beer I want in the fridge at the store and I am too impatient to wait for them to get cold.

Put them in the fridge and pour 2 of them into my mug... cold beer without the wait!

HockeyDad
Monday, December 13, 2010 1:20:26 PM
I store my beer mugs in the refrigerator with the beer.
Mr. Jones
Monday, December 13, 2010 4:08:22 PM
^^^^^I AGREE W/ MACS #10 post

If I am going to drink ANY American beer (Yuengling Lager, Budweiser, Bud Lite) then I want it FREEZING COLD.

When I go out to eat and the bar/Restaurant offers frozen or chilled mugs....then I request a NEW COLD mug on every refill. I have found that Damons Grill has the coldest beer around of any chain. The opposite is for "COLDBEES(food is always served COLD)/APPLEBEES" around here, their beer is always warm & flat & stale lines that NEVER get cleaned/flushed and Texas Roadhouse is a close second to COLDBEES.

When my friend takes me to the ELKS Club and I drink American...I ask for new mugs but the tender doesn't dig it so I tip him well.

When I drink at breweries/brewpubs I DON'T ask for chilled mugs because craft/micros taste OK in a room temp. glass PLUS they don't have chilled mugs anyway.

cacman
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Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:48:31 AM
Here's the basic kegerator conversion set-up: An old single slab door unbranded fridge. Inside there is a separate metal box at the top with its own plastic door that serves as the "freezer" space. As is common with this old-style freezer there are a couple of inches of ice build-up that has to be broke off regularly. All shelves have been removed, and the CO2 tank rests on its side where the lower drawers used to be (under the keg). The freezer is used to store mugs, shot glasses, and bottles of Jim Beam & Grey Goose. The faucet is located on the side instead of on the door so the beer line does not get in the way when opening the door to access the freezer. (sorry I couldn't figure put how to attach a pic with the reply.)

The fridge is kept in a cold-pantry which is approx 40°. The fridge is turned all the way down and is approx 30°. The beer line is freezing at the Tap Head which is farther away from the freezer than the Faucet? I have increased the CO2 pressure hoping that more gas would help prevent freezing but that doesn't work. Insulating the line with pipe insulation doesn't work. I've also tried threading the line through larger hose hoping the air space between the two hoses would help, but that doesn't work either.

Normally I tap MGD, but have tapped /6th kegs of Oktoberfests and other Micros. A higher alcohol content in the beer may help like Andy mentioned, but my wife likes the simpler beers so there is a compromise. Just as I compromise Humi space for the flavored sticks she likes.

In regards to the Frozen Mug issue that has arose: I too would agree that I like the lighter style brews (pilsners) and most American main-stream beers ice cold. I do prefer the heavier brews, Ales, Oktoberfests, certain Micros, Porters, etc. a littler warmer. But I don't care for the cask-conditioned brews at the pubs (live beer at 45-50° is too warm for me). However a lot friends like to mix their drinks or have them neat in a frosted glass or shot glass. IMHO the frosted mug is a matter of preference. I will say half-frozen vodka in a martini or as a shot in frozen glass is dangerous.

Any advice would be appreciated. Purchasing a new fridge is out as I am moving across the country in a few months. Don't plan on moving the fridge just the conversion kit.

DrMaddVibe
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:57:03 AM
TPIWWP!!!!!:-k
lou2row
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:20:43 PM
Maybe I missed it, but if it is getting too cold and freezing lines and you have it turned all the way down; why not turn it up some and see if warmer helps?

Has to be a point between frozen lines and warm beer. And if you need it ice cold, learn to drink it on the rocks.

delarob
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:32:32 PM
I would say your fridge is too cold. Beer will feeze at 28 degrees. Have you put a thermometer in there to see that it is actually at 30? Over 40 degrees you'll start to get foam so you have some room to play with and I don't think you would notice that much of a difference other than to actually taste a little more something in the beer.

FWIW, whenI bought my beermeister, they had a little notice not to let the keg touch the back wall of the fridge. Is yours doing that? Maybe the metal gets a lttle colder if it does. Never made sense to me and I've never really had a problem but who knows.

cacman
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Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:25:27 PM
Fridge turned all the way down means it is set to the warmest temp. I never knew that about the keg touching the back wall but I'm willing to give it a try. Thanks delarob.