lluvia
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15 years ago
Prayers for all the wounded, families, and those mourning.
lluvia
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15 years ago
a 9 year old girl is among the dead. Suspect in custody.


and this is really horrible...
tonyt722
15 years ago
Yes it is horrible, I have been checking on this story off and on today. Prayers to all affected by this useless tragedy.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Jan. 8, 2010

The man who allegedly shot Arizona Rep. Gabrielle
Giffords has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Lee
Loughner, ABC News has learned.

Giffords was shot, along with several other people
including federal judge John Roll, outside a grocery
store in Tucson, Ariz., where she was holding an
event called Congress on Your Corner. Five people
were killed, including Roll and a nine-year-old child.

On a Myspace page apparently maintained by
Loughner, he said goodbye to friends and said, "
Please don't be mad at me... I cannot rest."

Authorities said the shooter was in custody.

Loughner reportedly recently made several YouTube
videos with walls of text protesting the government
and ranting against low literacy rates.

"Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner. This video is
my introduction to you!" the video, uploaded Dec. 15,
says. "My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the
greatest inspiration for my political business
information. Some of you don't dream -- sadly... My
ambition -- is for informing literate dreamers about a
new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience
dreaming! Thank you!"

Giffords, a Democrat who was just sworn in for her
third term in Congress, survived the shooting and
doctors said she's expected to recover.

President Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable
act."

YouTube Video: 'If You Call Me a Terrorist...'

Laughner's Myspace page features a picture of a
handgun on a U.S. history textbook. A senior military
official told ABC News Loughner attempted to join the
Army but "never made it past the urinalysis."

In another video posted on YouTube, Loughner uses
repetitive, convoluted logic when defining terrorism.

"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who
employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political
weapon. I define terrorist. Thus, a terrorist is a
person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as
a political weapon," the video, entitled "Introduction:
Jared Loughner," says. "If you call me a terrorist then
the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me
a terrorist is Ad hominem."

In the same video, Loughner accuses the government
of mind control.

"In conclusion, reading the second United States
Constitution, I can't trust the current government
because of the ratifications: The government is
implying mind control and brainwash on the people
by controlling grammar. No! I won't pay debt with a
currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I
won't trust in God!" it says.

In the YouTube profile, the account holder, identified
as Loughner, lists "The Communist Manifesto" and
"Mein Kampf" among his favorite books.

A former classmate of Loughner's told ABC News he
was extremely political in high school, but not
radical. The classmate said Loughner once met
Giffords in 2007 and said he thought the
congresswoman was "unintelligent."

According to a witness, the shooter "came out of
nowhere" and unloaded two clips on Giffords and the
gathered crowd, striking Giffords in the head.

Bystanders then tackled the shooter and held him
until authorities intervened. ABC News' Elisa
Roupenian contributed to this report.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
http://mobile.twitter.com/caitieparker#22979901883682816 

caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
about 3 hours ago in reply to lakarune
caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
about 3 hours ago in reply to noboa
caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa I can. That is him.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker @antderosa I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific.
about 3 hours ago in reply to antderosa
caitieparker Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.
about 3 hours ago
MACS
15 years ago
Very sad news indeed. Prayers to all involved.

Sadly, this will be another incident for the anti-gun crowd to latch onto. Guns, however, do not kill people. Whackos do.
lluvia
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15 years ago

Very sad news indeed. Prayers to all involved.

Sadly, this will be another incident for the anti-gun crowd to latch onto. Guns, however, do not kill people. Whackos do.

MACS wrote:



and he was obviously wacko

dpnewell
15 years ago
Sad, very sad. There where several reports that someone in the crowd opened fire on the killer. They are not saying as of yet if it was some type of security detail or just a armed citizen. Seems that is what may have caused him to start to flee. If he didn't, we don't know how many more he may have killed. Of course, if it was an armed citizen that inturupted this sick-o's killing spree, the media will bury the story.
lluvia
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15 years ago

Sad, very sad. There where several reports that someone in the crowd opened fire on the killer. They are not saying as of yet if it was some type of security detail or just a armed citizen. Seems that is what may have caused him to start to flee. If he didn't, we don't know how many more he may have killed. Of course, if it was an armed citizen that inturupted this sick-o's killing spree, the media will bury the story.

dpnewell wrote:




I haven't seen that reported here. I have seen that they are looking for a 2nd suspect.
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
ONLY SOME ONE STUPID WOULD HAVE POSTED

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy".
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
who the f is caitieparker
DadZilla3
15 years ago

who the f is caitieparker

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



If you go here:

http://mobile.twitter.com/caitieparker#22979901883682816

DrMaddVibe wrote:



You can read her tweets, apparently she knew the shooter in the past. In her (recent) words:

"not craving attention at all just replying to those who are tweeting me. Shedding light, that's it."
wheelrite
15 years ago

ONLY SOME ONE STUPID WOULD HAVE POSTED

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy".

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Stupid, why?

If it was a Tea Party member thta did this the left would be going nutts..
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Stupid, why?

If it was a Tea Party member thta did this the left would be going nutts..

wheelrite wrote:



They ALREADY are!!!!
Sarah Palin Blamed by Bloggers for Shooting of Gabrielle Giffords


Almost immediately after the nation learned of the shooting of Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and several others (including a federal judge), a few prominent liberal web writers sought to blame Sarah Palin and other conservatives for the action.

Linking to a map of U.S. House districts that Sarah Palin's pac wanted to "target" during the 2010 mid-term elections -- which sadly included crosshairs over Rep. Giffords' district (among others) -- DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas Tweeted, "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin."
The liberal blog Firedog Lake also went there. Palin has deleted the image from her website, and issued a short statement on the shooting, writing on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

Liberal blogger Matthew Yglesias Tweeted out several other examples of "violent rhetoric," including Rep. Michele Bachman saying, "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous" to block climate change legislation.

Tea party activists are reportedly already fearing they too will be blamed for this event. A few personal observations...
First, it is sad to see folks immediately politicize such a tragedy. If your first response to such an event is to think of Sarah Palin, something is wrong.
Like it or not, the sort of rhetoric and imagery employed by Palin's PAC is not terribly unusual. Politicians constantly talk about "targeting" voters -- does anyone think they want to shoot them? Political consultants tell politicians to "hunt where the ducks are, " but they certainly don't mean to shoot voters. Ironically, Moulitsas has also previously urged his readers to "target" Giffords and put a "bulls eye" on her district because she "sold out the Constitution..."

To be sure, it is possible for a politician to use words to incite violence, but putting a target on a congressional district is clearly not an example of that.
Our culture is full of rhetoric that uses violent analogies for everyday events. Here is a headline I just pulled up: "Aaron Rodgers in the Eagles' Crosshairs...Literally." (Here's another: Lindsay Lohan in Sheriff's Crosshairs, Calif. Investigators Ask ..." (Clearly, we had better hope nothing happens to the Aaron Rodgers or Lindsay Lohan in the near future). It's also worth noting that the majority of the most egregious comments were made on Twitter, an outlet that allows folks to Tweet before thinking.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/08/sarah-palin-blamed-by-bloggers-for-shooting-of-gabrielle-gifford/ 


DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
I digress...

Let's put it in some perspective.

Listen to the words. Listen to the vitriol. Listen to the call to action and what exactly they're asking people to do.

http://blip.tv/file/4586172?utm_source=player_embedded 

Is it ANY wonder that these actions aren't a daily occurrence?

World English Dictionary
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— n
1. the overthrow or repudiation of a regime or political system by the governed
2. (in Marxist theory) the violent and historically necessary transition from one system of production in a society to the next, as from feudalism to capitalism
3. a far-reaching and drastic change, esp in ideas, methods, etc
4. a. movement in or as if in a circle
b. one complete turn in such a circle: a turntable rotating at 33 revolutions per minute
5. a. Compare rotation the orbital motion of one body, such as a planet or satellite, around another
b. one complete turn in such motion
6. a cycle of successive events or changes
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They're asking for these actions to take place. They're wanting Joe Sixpack to oblige them in their Progressive endeavors. They want the pawns to do their bidding, but Americans are waking up. They see the Empty Suit for what he is and in the last election cycle did what had to be done. If they could've voted more out they would've so 2012 will be another barometer for America. Are we onboard with the direction the Kenyan King has taken us? Is it time to drive a spike through the heart of his agenda and right the ship? I think the answer is "YES!".

When someone shows you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!
Gene363
15 years ago

Prayers for all the wounded, families, and those mourning.

lluvia wrote:



Done.


As if the shooting wasn't bad enough, low life political scum are now stepping on the bodies to make a political point. I can honestly say I intensely dislike them all, but I never wish them any harm. You can bet these same cretins will continue to cry about polarization and the lack of cooperation from their political opposites.

deadeyedick
15 years ago
^ Well said.

I live in Phoenix but met Giffords casually at a breakfast place in Tucson about 2 months ago. I had disagreed with much of her political leanings and hopped she would lose the Nov election but always thought she was a pleasant and intelligent voice for the people of her district.

Prayers for all who are affected.

DED
dsmokers
15 years ago
Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.

wheelrite
15 years ago

Wheelrite and DMV are idiots. Classless idiots.

Peace to those lost in this tragedy.

dsmokers wrote:



Blow me azzhole...
dsmokers
15 years ago
I rest my case. People died, moron.
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