MCAddict
15 years ago
Whistleblower outs ATF and DOJ for allowing gun straw purchases to flow into Mexican cartel's hands. Weapon from "Gunrunner" OP used in recent murder of U.S. Border Agent. Purchases were up 30 AK47s at a time through Arizona dealers. "Operation Gunrunner" began sometime in 2009. Holder and Obama ARE the gun salesmen of the year.:-({|= REVISION: Make that thousands of guns. My how time flies.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Well they lied about the percentage of US weapons winding up in cartel hands so this was just part of operation "pants on fire".
Sometimes you have to create a tragedy to have something to take advantage of.
DrMaddVibe
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
MCAddict
15 years ago
Topped by me. Obama: "I didn't authorize it, DOJ Holder didn't authorize it."

Congressman Issa from Cal: "It all boils down to who's lying"

BATFE could never come up with something like this on their own.[ram27bat]
dpnewell
15 years ago
Explain this to me, please. Why would they come into the States and pay top dollar for SEMI-AUTO AKs, when they can pick up FULL AUTO ones in the middle east for less then $50 a piece?

Oh, Obama's people did this. Now it makes sense. Silly me.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
^ the ones (full auto and heavy arms) are being purchased from China and Germany.
MCAddict
15 years ago
According to the latest, a few 50cal rifles were straw-dealed, the selling dealer notified the BATFE and they said "let them walk."

Mexico's attache to the ATF ask them from where this op hailed. They said the DOJ.[gonzo]
ZRX1200
15 years ago
This is what's known as beurocratic circle jerk finger pointing. The object is to point fingers long enough for your media buddies to maintain a facade of objectivity and make idiots quit caring.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Let them ho's fight!

Keep dem plates a spinnin'![frypan]
MCAddict
15 years ago
Now this doesn't show on any media radar. Not even Fox. Non-issue? Higher powers? Savoring for some sort of October suprise? FEH!!!
ZRX1200
15 years ago
One party rule.
And those not part of the democans risk being labeled extremists if they rail every issue. This is supposed to be the job of the govt. watchdog media but they relinquished that long ago for interview access and american idol/dancing with the stars updates....
MCAddict
15 years ago

One party rule.
And those not part of the democans risk being labeled extremists if they rail every issue. This is supposed to be the job of the govt. watchdog media but they relinquished that long ago for interview access and american idol/dancing with the stars updates....

ZRX1200 wrote:



TRUE 'DAT ZR.[gonzo]
HockeyDad
15 years ago
I wonder if this is considered "nonessential".
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Exposed: The secret guns sting that backfired on the US

America's firearms watchdog allowed weapons to flow in, failed to catch ringleaders, then tried a cover-up

By Guy Adams

The lethal fallout from a botched operation by the US Department of Justice which allowed almost 2,000 illegally purchased firearms to be transported from the streets of Arizona to drug gangs in Mexico has been laid bare in a scathing Congressional report, which concludes that it resulted in countless deaths.


A mixture of arrogance, over-confidence, and staggering ineptitude by the Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives [ATF] was outlined in a 51-page investigation by two Republican members of a House panel charged with getting to the bottom of what went wrong during a two-year operation called "Fast and Furious".

It tells how, between 2009 and this year, the ATF instructed agents to turn a blind eye to hundreds of AK-47 assault rifles, sniper rifles, and revolvers purchased from gunshops in Phoenix and en route to Mexico. They hoped to eventually recover them from crime scenes and build a complex conspiracy case that might take down the leaders of a major drug cartel.

In the event, the operation resulted in the arrest of a handful of small-time crooks. But it exacerbated an already-huge spike in violence on both sides of the border. Two of the guns allowed to "walk" into the hands of criminals were used in a shoot-out that killed a US border patrol agent, Brian Terry.

The report describes his death as "a preventable tragedy", detailing how many of the ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious began to object to what they saw as the "reckless" nature of the operation, which conflicted with all known protocol and may turn out to have been illegal. But when they raised their concerns, they faced "punishment and retaliation" from their superiors.

It also highlights the symbiotic nature of the deadly drug trade between the US and Mexico, which has resulted in approximately 38,000 deaths since 2007. Cartels make their money smuggling cocaine and cannabis north from Mexico, and simultaneously equip their private armies with assault weapons purchased thanks to America's notoriously relaxed gun laws.

Fast and Furious revolved around so-called "straw" purchases of firearms, in which a buyer purchase military-grade hardware from a gun-store with the intention of illegally passing it to a criminal third party. ATF agents who track suspected straw purchases typically run intensive surveillance operations allowing them to arrest suspects and recover the guns. During the Fast and Furious operation they were instructed to simply let the weapons disappear.

A record was kept of their serial numbers. The idea was that this would later allow agents to link individual weapons to particular crime scenes. Somehow, this was supposed to help the ATF build up a nuanced picture of the complex structure of a major drug cartel, which would in turn lead to high-level arrests. But it wasn't to be.

"Both line agents and gun dealers who co-operated with the ATF repeatedly expressed concerns", about the operation, the report says. "But ATF supervisors did not heed those warnings. Instead, they told agents to follow orders because this was sanctioned from above."

In total, agents watched at least 1,730 guns flood on to the black market, knowing they would be used to commit murders and other violent crimes. Their concerns about the policy were ignored. In one email to field staff printed in the report, ATF supervisor David Voth suggested that staff who objected to his orders would be fired.

"I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumours, or other adolescent behavior," he wrote. "We are all adults, we are all professionals, and we have an exciting opportunity to use the biggest tool in our law-enforcement tool box. If you don't think this is fun, you are in the wrong line of work, period!"

John Dodson, a special agent from Phoenix who eventually blew the whistle on the "flawed" operation, told congressmen his superiors would be "giddy" with delight when "their" guns were found at a crime scene in Mexico, because they believed it "validated" their tactic. With regard to potential loss of life, an ATF boss told him: "if you are going to make an omelette, you need to scramble some eggs."

On 14 December, disaster struck when the US border patrol guard, Brian Terry, was killed during a shootout with suspected illegal aliens on the Arizona border. His killers dropped their rifles to flee faster. Two of the weapons were AK-47s which had been intentionally allowed to walk during Fast and Furious.

Rather than admit to any mistake, the ATF embarked on a cover-up. William Newell, the special agent in charge of the operation, ordered the arrest of 20 of the people agents had been watching buy weapons for months. Then, although not one senior cartel member was arrested, he held a press conference declaring the operation a success.

Newell was then asked if any weapons had been deliberately allowed to end up in the hands of criminals. He replied, "Hell no!" The report describes that statement as untrue and "shocking." It alleges that the Department of Justice continued to attempt a cover-up for several months.

The fallout from the report's publication remains to be seen. It was written by two Republican congressmen, Darryl Issa and Charles Grassley. Some right-wing commentators have suggested that Fast and Furious was sanctioned by the Obama administration in an effort to justify tightening US gun laws. But the White House has said it had no direct knowledge of the operation.






http://tinyurl.com/6846fmy 


Now we're going to witness just how far up the food chain this goes...we have Ritchie Cunningham telling America that his boss is Sgt. Schultz and "he knows nothing"...well, I'd agree with that one for once. Owebama was never ready for primetime.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Operation Fast and Furious should end Holder tenure


Watergate cliches though they are, two questions beg to be asked about the exploding Fast and Furious scandal at the U.S. Department of Justice: What did Attorney General Eric Holder know and when did he know it concerning the underlying concept, operational protocols and legal status of the Operation Fast and Furious program in the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau?

Those questions gained special relevance Wednesday when four ATF agents testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and squarely contradicted a Feb. 4, 2011, claim by a department spokesman that DOJ did not approve of the program that sanctioned the illegal sale here in America by legitimate gun dealers of assault weapons to representatives of Mexican drug cartels. The idea behind the program was that the hundreds of firearms thus sold would then be traced from specific crimes, thus enabling prosecutions of the individuals involved.

The agents testified that Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley, a Phoenix-based appointee of President Obama, "orchestrated" Operation Fast and Furious. ATF Phoenix field office supervisor Peter Forcelli, for example, told the committee: "I have read documents that indicate that his boss, U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, also agreed with the direction of the case." That direction was established sometime after Obama was inaugurated in 2009 when Phoenix ATF agents, breaking with long-established agency practice, were ordered to monitor, but not stop, gun sales to suspected gun traffickers. The agents testified that Phoenix ATF supervisor David Voth "was jovial, if not, not giddy, but just delighted" when Fast and Furious guns were subsequently recovered at multiple Mexican drug busts. And emails released Thursday by Rep. Darrell Issa,R-Calif., revealed that acting director Kenneth Melson even arranged to watch live feeds from ATF cameras in gun stores being used by the program while sitting at his desk.

But delight turned to devastation on Dec. 14, 2010 when two Fast and Furious rifles were found at the scene of Border Agent Brian Terry's murder approximately 18 miles inside the U.S. border with Mexico in the Arizona desert. The program ended the next day. Special Agent Larry Alt told the committee that Terry's death was the entirely foreseeable result of Operation Fast and Furious: "You can't allow thousands of guns to go south of the border without an expectation that they are going to be recovered eventually in crimes and people are going to die." There had also been panic among ATF officials when news first broke that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., had been shot because they feared the weapon used might be one of those sold via Operation Fast and Furious.

Documents released by the Issa panel make it clear that Operation Fast and Furious was well-known and enthusiastically supported at the highest leveIs of ATF. That means the program had to have been supported elsewhere within the Justice Department. Thus, it is inconceivable that Holder did not know about Operation Fast and Furious. But even if he didn't know, he clearly should have. Either way, Wednesday's hearing provided the latest evidence that it's past time for Holder to go.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/print/opinion/2011/06/operation-fast-and-furious-should-end-holder-tenure 
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Had Gifford been shot by one they might actually be showing remorse now. Boarder agents never have mattered much to the feds.
Whistlebritches
15 years ago
Monumentally Fuggin Stupid..........but this is Obama's boys so really not all that surprising.


Ron
MCAddict
15 years ago
It's reported today that their going to fire the current ATF chief. He was a temp anyway. So Bama's thugs think by offering up this guy for cannon fodder the problem will go away. Traver, the gun hating a-hole from Chicago who they hope to appoint, will redirect the scandal back to the public. Thank's to the NRAILA's protest, his appointment is stalled in the senate. Given a certain amount of immunity someone will eventually sing like a bird.

Back in March at a private luncheon with Sara Brady in attendance, when the subject of gun control came up, Obama's reponse was some thing like, "something is in the works, in the backround so as to not draw too much attention."

With this statement it's unlikely Bama knew nothing of the op at that time or at it's inception in 2009.[gonzo]



porschesales225
15 years ago
why come to the US to buy cheap guns. I mean really. If i could go out of the country and buy firearms it would be cheaper.
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