robertknyc
15 years ago
College Republicans ask college Democrats with high GPAs to sign a petition to redistribute some of their GPA points to the disadvantaged students and these libs don't like the idea. Just a good illustration of why taking from those who earn and handing it to those who don't is immoral.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/20/students-not-eager-to-redistribute-gpa-scores/ 
FuzzNJ
15 years ago
So the harder you work, the richer you are?
Papachristou
15 years ago
i heard a great joke last year. it went something like this...

a college professor said he never failed a student but once failed an entire class. the class argued with him about income redistribution/socialism/etc. He said, OK, would you all like to conduct a live redistribution/socialism experiment with this class? He explained that he would simply average the grades for the tests together. THey all promptly agreed.

first round of tests there were 5-As 7-Bs, 11Cs, 5Ds and 2 Fs, the class averaged a B. Sure enough, there was dissention among the ranks. the A students were pissed, the B students happy and the C,D and F students elated!

next round, the A students didnt study as hard, neither did the B students or anyone else for that matter. Class average = C.

Final test, class average F. Entire class failed.

It just doesnt work. you have to reward hard workers, not discourage them.
chiefburg
15 years ago
I know many successful people who have busted their butt to get what they have. They worked 15-20 hours a day for years on end and it paid off for many of them when their business finally took off. As such, they were able to hire more people and their businesses continued to grow. Instead of being a burden on society, they worked hard and became a benefit to society by taking care of themselves and offering employment to others. Plus, if you count the company vehicles, maintenance, cleaning crews, gas, medical benefits, building rents, advertising, etc, etc, etc, they did more to aid society as a whole. Not only did they create jobs in their company, they created jobs in several other markets as well.

Personally, I don't think we should be penalizing them for being successful and creating jobs and lives for countless others - it doesn't pass the common sense test. I think they should be taxed at a reasonable rate. I believe they should be allowed to use whatever deductions available. If we tax them too much, they will lose the desire to produce and will either sell or close the company down. We wouldn't have tax problems if the government lived within its means and didn't continue to grow.
Papachristou
15 years ago

We wouldn't have tax problems if the government lived within its means and didn't continue to grow.

chiefburg wrote:





ding ding ding, we have a winner! give that man a stogie! 🇨🇮 too bad we are all 🐴
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I know many successful people who have busted their butt to get what they have. They worked 15-20 hours a day for years on end and it paid off for many of them when their business finally took off. As such, they were able to hire more people and their businesses continued to grow. Instead of being a burden on society, they worked hard and became a benefit to society by taking care of themselves and offering employment to others. Plus, if you count the company vehicles, maintenance, cleaning crews, gas, medical benefits, building rents, advertising, etc, etc, etc, they did more to aid society as a whole. Not only did they create jobs in their company, they created jobs in several other markets as well.

Personally, I don't think we should be penalizing them for being successful and creating jobs and lives for countless others - it doesn't pass the common sense test. I think they should be taxed at a reasonable rate. I believe they should be allowed to use whatever deductions available. If we tax them too much, they will lose the desire to produce and will either sell or close the company down. We wouldn't have tax problems if the government lived within its means and didn't continue to grow.

chiefburg wrote:



Me too!

The questions are, what is a reasonable rate and would that business have been possible without the infrastructure and stability that the tax dollars paid were able to provide. The first is determined by our country's values, as the thread suggests, and the second answer is more than likely not, but how much stability, protection and infrastructure from 'government' is needed for the country so thrive.

Both of these things are what are argued over constantly. And it is often said government is by the people and for the people, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, that's why I don't necessarily hate government, I would rather we make sure those in government understand that the government is us and your control is only temporary.
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

College Republicans ask college Democrats with high GPAs to sign a petition to redistribute some of their GPA points to the disadvantaged students and these libs don't like the idea. Just a good illustration of why taking from those who earn and handing it to those who don't is immoral.

robertknyc wrote:



This is a poor corrollary to how economics works. There is not a set amount of GPA points that the teacher has to distribute. A teacher could give every student an A, or every student an F (in theory). There is also no student with a GPA above 4.0. There is no student who has a 5,000 GPA and works to keep everyone else at a 2.5 GPA.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

There is also no student with a GPA above 4.0.

tweoijfoi wrote:



:-s


FuzzNJ
15 years ago

This is a poor corrollary to how economics works. There is not a set amount of GPA points that the teacher has to distribute. A teacher could give every student an A, or every student an F (in theory). There is also no student with a GPA above 4.0. There is no student who has a 5,000 GPA and works to keep everyone else at a 2.5 GPA.

tweoijfoi wrote:



So you are kind of saying it's like communism in that there is a cap that no one can surpass, so everyone is actually treated equally, am I right?

Interesting.
robertknyc
15 years ago

This is a poor corrollary to how economics works. There is not a set amount of GPA points that the teacher has to distribute. A teacher could give every student an A, or every student an F (in theory). There is also no student with a GPA above 4.0. There is no student who has a 5,000 GPA and works to keep everyone else at a 2.5 GPA.

tweoijfoi wrote:



And here it comes, the left's justification for theft. Since income is unlimited, confiscating income to hand to the lazy is okay. Since GPAs are limited to 4.0 if course it would be wrong to redistribue that, and the liberal students who are against the idea are in no way hypocritical.
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

:-s


DrMaddVibe wrote:



Unless they get some super-special extra credit!
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

And here it comes, the left's justification for theft. Since income is unlimited, confiscating income to hand to the lazy is okay. Since GPAs are limited to 4.0 if course it would be wrong to redistribue that, and the liberal students who are against the idea are in no way hypocritical.

robertknyc wrote:



I'm not justifying anything. I merely said that this example of why income redistribution is wrong is extremely flawed.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I'm not justifying anything. I merely said that this example of why income redistribution is wrong is extremely flawed.

tweoijfoi wrote:



And very well. The two examples are in no way the same, just as the harder one works, the wealthier one gets. I'm a great example of that. (I'm not rich btw)
Stinkdyr
15 years ago

i heard a great joke last year. it went something like this...

a college professor said he never failed a student but once failed an entire class. the class argued with him about income redistribution/socialism/etc. He said, OK, would you all like to conduct a live redistribution/socialism experiment with this class? He explained that he would simply average the grades for the tests together. THey all promptly agreed.

first round of tests there were 5-As 7-Bs, 11Cs, 5Ds and 2 Fs, the class averaged a B. Sure enough, there was dissention among the ranks. the A students were pissed, the B students happy and the C,D and F students elated!

next round, the A students didnt study as hard, neither did the B students or anyone else for that matter. Class average = C.

Final test, class average F. Entire class failed.

It just doesnt work. you have to reward hard workers, not discourage them.

Papachristou wrote:




And yet the illiberal lefties just can't comprehend why socialism fails.

](*,)
robertknyc
15 years ago

I'm not justifying anything. I merely said that this example of why income redistribution is wrong is extremely flawed.

tweoijfoi wrote:



What this video shows in unambiguous terms is that the people who are the achievers do not want to have their earnings confiscated, and therefore when it is done for the express purpose of giving to underachievers it is theft.
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

What this video shows in unambiguous terms is that the people who are the achievers do not want to have their earnings confiscated, and therefore when it is done for the express purpose of giving to underachievers it is theft.

robertknyc wrote:



I don't want my tax dollars going to the Iraq war. Therefore my money is being stolen from me in order to fund a war I do not support.
Kawak
15 years ago

I don't want my tax dollars going to the Iraq war. Therefore my money is being stolen from me in order to fund a war I do not support.

tweoijfoi wrote:



Elections have consequences!
tweoijfoi
15 years ago
And here is a more realistic example...

You need a 2.0 GPA to pass, a 4.0 to pass with colors. 2% of the students get a GPA over 500. 5% of students get a GPA over 100. Now you ask if they want to share some of their GPA. Maybe the answer would be different, maybe not... either way it still a incredibly invalid example because the people with 1.0 GPA are not going to go homeless or die of starvation. And many people living below the poverty line are not lazy or stupid.
robertknyc
15 years ago

I don't want my tax dollars going to the Iraq war. Therefore my money is being stolen from me in order to fund a war I do not support.

tweoijfoi wrote:



I don't think any sane person would say it's stealing to tax people to operate a government that benefits the country. But when you specifically levy a higher tax rate on the rich for the purpose of funding or continuing to fund handouts to the people who won't work, that is stealing from a moral perspective.
Papachristou
15 years ago
im not saying that the harder you work at digging ditches, the richer you get. But speaking in general, if you work hard, you are rewarded with a decent paycheck that you can usually support your family and enjoy some hobbies, provided you are responsible and dont have several children.

However, the principle is still the same. Taxing the wealthy more than the middle class doesnt make sense IMO. Why cant it just be a simple flat rate across the board? get rid of rules,exemptions, everything. Cost savings from the thousands if not hundreds of thousands of IRS workers should be enough to take a small chip out of the deficit right?
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