tweoijfoi
15 years ago
Oh and I'm not really a lefty. In fact, most people do not really follow the complete dogma of their self-proclaimed "side", but something in the middle.
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HockeyDad
15 years ago



I never said she was unbiased. I said she was left leaning. And no I don't think she is journalist in the true sense of the word.

tweoijfoi wrote:





So now we're down to arguing whether she's extremist or just a leftist.

Semantics.
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tweoijfoi
15 years ago

So now we're down to arguing whether she's extremist or just a leftist.

Semantics.

HockeyDad wrote:



=p~
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rfenst
15 years ago

Robert, you remind me of my son. He asks the darnest questions as well. Don't how to begin w/o a drink and cigar in hand... Why is the sky blue, dad? ...and yes, I know the answer to that. LOL

Suffice to say that if you can't recognize her extreme left wing views as extremist, you is one.
Same thing with followers of Rush, Soros, etc.

bloody spaniard wrote:




It sure seems like you think I asked a childish question, which is so meaningless on a topical level and so very complex in reality, that I probably wouldn't understand it anyway- so I should just be shooed-away with a simple, incomplete answer? And, yet, at the same time I personify that answer but you (and I) don't even really know what it is?

I am not feigning ignorance here about the semantics of the political spectrum and, I am not trying to flame or pick a fight here with you or anyone else, but come on- You have got to be kidding me!!!

As pointed out above in another post, your reply is the logic equivalence of: "If you don't know what X is, then you are an X". Perhaps the example given above was not absurd enough to make the point, so here is another example:

Bloody does not know the definition of a "retard", therefore Bloody is a "retard".

But, everyone who knows you knows: 1) that statement cannot possibly be true; and 2) that statement does not explain the definition of the term "retard"...

I am truly serious what the semantic definition(s) of left-wing extremism are here on CBid. I am also desirous of some solid examples of what Couric has done that is so worthy of being blasted like she has been here. I know she is a public figure and that she has put herself out there for criticism, but I truly don't understand the level of anger, if not hatred towards her.

So once again, for anyone who will provide a direct answer: What does "left-wing extremist" mean? Is there a "litmus test" definition? Or, is it more like a syndrome with a "basket" of indicators? How can I asses exactly where Couric fits in on the spectrum? How can I determine the label that applies to where I fit in on the spectrum?




(I just want to try to understand where some people hear on CBid are really coming from on this thread.)
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wheelrite
15 years ago
robert,

it's easy...

If you want a handout and won't take any work available you're a commie...
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tweoijfoi
15 years ago

robert,

it's easy...

If you want a handout and won't take any work available you're a commie...

wheelrite wrote:



Actually on these forums its easier than that...

If you are very liberal, you are Stalin himself
If you are left-leaning, you are a lefty extremist
If you are moderate, you are a liberal
If you are conservative, you are moderate
If you think everything listed above is true, then you are a real conservative =p~

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wheelrite
15 years ago

Actually on these forums its easier than that...

If you are very liberal, you are Stalin himself
If you are left-leaning, you are a lefty extremist
If you are moderate, you are a liberal
If you are conservative, you are moderate
If you think everything listed above is true, then you are a real conservative =p~

tweoijfoi wrote:



Moderates are weak and stupid..

There really is no gray area...

either you are for limited gov't and rugged individualism or you are a committed lefty ,socialist.lib.

sounds simplistic,but it's true...
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bloody spaniard
15 years ago
I think that there's hyperbole on both sides.

And Robert if I didn't understand what defined a "retard" as a "retard" then perhaps I AM unabashedly a "retard". No shame in that.
However what I HAVE determined is that one who doesn't see the peculiarities of extremism because they accept them as the norm is most likely in agreement with them.

To call a liberal the epitome of Stalin is silly but that is not to say that the liberal doesn't have more in common with said dictator than a conservative would. It's a matter of degrees. I happen to believe that there are many liberals like Couric who excuse extremism & that in itself makes them extremists.
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rfenst
15 years ago

I think that there's hyperbole on both sides.

And Robert if I didn't understand what defined a "retard" as a "retard" then perhaps I AM unabashedly a "retard". No shame in that.
However what I HAVE determined is that one who doesn't see the peculiarities of extremism because they accept them as the norm is most likely in agreement with them.

To call a liberal the epitome of Stalin is silly but that is not to say that the liberal doesn't have more in common with said dictator than a conservative would. It's a matter of degrees. I happen to believe that there are many liberals like Couric who excuse extremism & that in itself makes them extremists.

bloody spaniard wrote:




Whatever.
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tweoijfoi
15 years ago

I think that there's hyperbole on both sides.

bloody spaniard wrote:



At least we agree on that.


However what I HAVE determined is that one who doesn't see the peculiarities of extremism because they accept them as the norm is most likely in agreement with them.

bloody spaniard wrote:



You keep saying that because we don't know that Couric is an extremist we are accepting whatever ideologies that she may have, and therefore are also extremists. I don't know what extremist views Couric has because I don't know what views (in general) she has. I've tried to get that through to you but you manage to step around it. I've seen maybe a grand total of 1 to 2 hours of Couric clips and interviews. Most of them were the Palin interviews. I don't know what the hell she has been saying or doing besides that. From the clips I've seen, she is left leaning. What have you seen that makes you label her extreme? You assume that because I haven't seen what you've seen of her that I agree with everything you've seen of her.

It's a game logical twister you're playing and I don't think you even know it.

[frypan]
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DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Exactly what agenda are you referring to? Evening news-lite that often has some minimal entertainment value for some people?

I know you disagree with what you believe her personal politics to be, but so what. If some people enjoy watching her, why is it so important to those who don't watch her to see her gone?

What is it about her that has been so bad or so evil to provoke hatred and anger?

rfenst wrote:



You don't perceive that to be a problem?

Bias, slanted opinions presented as fact on what used to be THE bastion of American news relegated to a spewing propaganda hate machine.

Talking heads that are bigger than the news make me sick. It's not about their Ron Burgandy clothes and make-up. Tell the story without the lies...the wrinkled nose and finger pointing.

She was never ready to be in the Primetime as the Ringleader. She was an attempt to be a ratings magnet but Ratchet Maddcow took her audience.

Hatred and anger? Tsk tsk Robert. You know me better than that! I'm not going to get all emotional about a talking head that loses their job. Happens every month. This one just happened to be at the top of the food chain. That's all.
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Stinkdyr
15 years ago
That tool of the illiberal left needed to be dropped in order to make room for the next tool of the illiberal left to fill her seat.

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bloody spaniard
15 years ago
So true, Stink & DMV.


Funny how the left squeals & gets irritated when you answer them in the own riddlespeak.
They will never understand why folks in the center like myself deride the Courics, Cronkites, Soros as left wing extremists or kooks- take yer pick, amigo. Wouldn't go as far as to call them lunatics unless they take to the streets with bombs a la Obama's pal, Bill Ayers (founder of the Weather Underground) though.

The right has their own babbling millstones but this thread was about Couric as DMV correctly stated above.
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rfenst
15 years ago

"folks in the center like myself"

bloody spaniard wrote:






I suspect most people probably self-assess themselves to be somewhere in the current "center" (whatever that is supposed to mean at any given time and by any indvidual's own personal definition). I also suspect that others self-access to be part of what they believe where the "center" should be. So:

1. What is you definition of "center".
2. What method did you use to determine that you are in fact "in the center"?
3. How or where can I accurately, objectively determine where I am on the spectrum by the same manner you use?
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HockeyDad
15 years ago
^That sounds like lefty-speak!
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rfenst
15 years ago

^That sounds like lefty-speak!

HockeyDad wrote:




Only an ultra-left wing-nut anti-America, Islamic homicide-bomber with a plan to blow-up something bigger than the Twin Towers, and who is an authoritarian communist, could even possibly know that!

(And here I though I new you to just be a plain old Democrat...)
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HockeyDad
15 years ago



(And here I though I new you to just be a plain old Democrat...)

rfenst wrote:




I'm a globalist. I float across both political parties as the situation dictates. We own them both anyway.
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Stinkdyr
15 years ago

I suspect most people probably self-assess themselves to be somewhere in the current "center" (whatever that is supposed to mean at any given time and by any indvidual's own personal definition). ...

rfenst wrote:




I view myself as way out on the extreme FREEDOM branch of the spectrum.

Freedom...........whatta radical concept.

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RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
first of all she is a widow. i believe her husband committed suicide.

she would be refereed to in england as a news reader as are many of our tv "pundits."

Richard Engel is a reporter.
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RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
rfenst

How or where can I accurately, objectively determine
where I am on the spectrum by the same manner you use?

do what everyone else does, make it up,
besides he can't be in the center with me,
i don't see him.
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