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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:08:28 PM
....Clapton had great chops, Page was very experimental, Taylor knew his blues, Beck was just a frickin' genius, but, Peter Green was simply out and out sinister. He didn't as much play guitar as he wanked it into submission. His records were great but his live shows were Satanic Rites. 🙏 🙏 PeterGreen2a.jpg
nickatnite
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:42:01 PM

....Clapton had great chops, Page was very experimental, Taylor knew his blues, Beck was just a frickin' genius, but, Peter Green was simply out and out sinister. He didn't as much play guitar as he ****ed it into submission. His records were great but his live shows were Satanic Rites. 🙏 🙏

errasa wrote:

Yeah......they all are great in their own right, especially Clapton and Beck. BUT You forgotten/left out, JIMI HENDRIX.......that's almost considered Blasphemy when talking about guitar legends.

DrMaddVibe
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:55:53 PM
Anyone ever hear Lindsay Buckinham play "Big Love" with his capo?

[frypan]

wheelrite
Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:12:41 AM
Capos are neato...
Mathen
Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:40:01 AM
Clapton never goes out of the pentatonic/blues scales. Like, EVER. That's a whole lot of modes he's missing. Overrated by a lot, in my opinion.

Even in purely that genre, there are a ton of guys who kick Clapton in the nuts. Eddie Hazel playing Maggot Brain comes to mind immediately.

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:11:52 AM

Clapton never goes out of the pentatonic/blues scales. Like, EVER. That's a whole lot of modes he's missing. Overrated by a lot, in my opinion.

Even in purely that genre, there are a ton of guys who kick Clapton in the nuts. Eddie Hazel playing Maggot Brain comes to mind immediately.

Mathen wrote:

YESSSSS!!!!

Please...someone that's a big fan of Clapton's point me in the direction to this Guitar God mode...because I just don't hear it either!

When he's in the confines of a band like The Yardbirds, Derek & The Dominos, Cream or Blind Faith he plays his ass off. Solo? Sorry but the only stuff I really like by him is "Wonderful Tonight", "Lay Down Sally" and "Promises"...all of which aren't guitar masterpieces.

I'd take another Yardbirds alumni member for his place every damn day and that's Jeff Beck. Put his work next to Clapton and he's done more without a pick than Eric has with Bluesmasters at his side.

DrMaddVibe
Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:14:46 AM

Capos are neato...

wheelrite wrote:

Yeah...helps keep your pants up and shortens the neck for people that only play between the 1 and 5th frets!!!!

[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]

jig+pig
Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:53:44 AM
i watched Jeff Beck play on some network this weekend and all I have to say is WOW! i never payed any

attention to Beck for some reason. I even went to see SRV and Beck during one of their tours when they would

rotate who opened the show. Unfortunately the show I attended SRV opened and I left before Beck took the stage.

what a big mistake!

I'm a huge Clapton fan, seen him live about 8, 9 times or so. Some of his "Clapton is God"

stature is from some of his very early stuff. To this day, a lot of guitar players reference his improv on Crossroads as being the stuff of legend.....

And the bass player for the Beck show on tv was some young lady who could really play, and I mean REALLY play. She could give Stu Hamm a run for the money. Or Geddy Lee for that matter.

daveincincy
Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:17:55 AM
^ I saw that show, and the girl was darn good. It was a while since I saw it (they rerun it periodically...on Palladia?). Bass player is Tal Wilkenfield.

clip from that show:

jig+pig
Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:11:36 AM
^ yes, that's the show! Thanks for the info about the bass player, I will be looking her up.
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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:08:21 PM
Let's see, Clapton stuck in blues. Correct as are all his mentors. I'm a huge Clapton fan. Having said that, I too agree that currently, he is not the top of the pack. However, in the middle sixties, no one white could match his blues style, although Mick Taylor was awful close and at that time, it mattered. As for Hendrix, IMHO, he was the vanguard of the 2nd wave of rock guitarists and I'm speaking purley in term s of chronology. Furthermore, while speaking of Claptons limitations, I've always though that Hendrix was quit limited in what he could do,spectacular as it was. With those two guys it was more about how they danced with their instrument and the magic that ensued. There are hundreds of players today, although I hate to say it, that can outplay them technically, but, the end result is what happens to you when the music filters through your ears into your heart and into your nuts. I was taught a lesson a long time ago about the subjectivity of tastes in music. So, I know what I like and your more than welcome to your opinion which is equally valuable (I actually said that with my fingers crossed).
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:39:15 PM

Let's see, Clapton stuck in blues. Correct as are all his mentors. I'm a huge Clapton fan. Having said that, I too agree that currently, he is not the top of the pack. However, in the middle sixties, no one white could match his blues style, although Mick Taylor was awful close and at that time, it mattered. As for Hendrix, IMHO, he was the vanguard of the 2nd wave of rock guitarists and I'm speaking purley in term s of chronology. Furthermore, while speaking of Claptons limitations, I've always though that Hendrix was quit limited in what he could do,spectacular as it was. With those two guys it was more about how they danced with their instrument and the magic that ensued. There are hundreds of players today, although I hate to say it, that can outplay them technically, but, the end result is what happens to you when the music filters through your ears into your heart and into your nuts. I was taught a lesson a long time ago about the subjectivity of tastes in music. So, I know what I like and your more than welcome to your opinion which is equally valuable (I actually said that with my fingers crossed).

errasa wrote:

See, I took your OP to heart.

Page? All ANYONE needs to do is sit down with some headphones and listen to the BBC Sessions to hear what that guy can do. Listen to his stuff with the Yardbirds, the Honneydrippers and The Firm as well as his solo stuff if you must, but he is one of the greats.

Taylor? He rescued the Rolling Stones at a time where it was going to be sink or swim. His infusion in that band made it possible for a guy like Ron Wood to join later. When you compare the material written with Taylor vs Jones, Wood...yes we'll even throw in Keith it's the Taylor material that makes the bulk of any tour setlist and any fan's "Greatest Hits" compilation. Crap, the fact that when Keith FINALLY recorded a solo album who did HE have playing on it? That's right...Mick!

Beck, I've already noted as a superior artist that's taken his Blues background and never stayed in one gear. Often daring his fans to follow him on his "walk". One of my favorites is "There & Back" and the reviews for that were scathing! I can still find something worthwhile and applaud him for branching out...yet staying true.

Peter Green? Really...with the ones you mentioned in your OP...in my mind only Page comes close. I really wish more people would take the time to listen to what was Fleetwood Mac. It had raw power. It would blow their freaking minds away. That or they'd be in total disgust because there's no mush-mouthed warbling hottie singing God know what while The McVie's & Buckingham are backing up with the same unintelligible echos of a neutered blues-infused band.

I's STILL begging...when it comes to the Clapton stuff...that makes him a Guitar God...where is it? Like I outlined before...it seems like other greats he's been lucky to work with can wring it out of him. On his own? It's devoid of any feeling and lacks any dimensional soul. It's the plain yogurt in the entire dairy section. Even Buttermilk has flavor...plain yogurt? You have to have something else with it...stirred up...mixed in...swirled and served cold for it to be anything. Where is this stuff that gets him included with the Greats? See, they have solo material or all they really have is what they did with a band and what they did in that band was what made them. Clapton does this dance always with bands/bandmates and traipses off to the solo...in and out. When he's out? He is out. Please point me in the direction, because I've got it all and I don't know...I don't hear it.

teedubbya
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:11:37 PM
I'd rather just sit down with a beer and listen to earl and bill monroe than argue about who is a god or not. WGAF? Everyone mentioned in this thread is damn good and I enjoy them. Claptan included.
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:24:01 PM

I'd rather just sit down with a beer and listen to earl and bill monroe than argue about who is a god or not. WGAF? Everyone mentioned in this thread is damn good and I enjoy them. Claptan included.

teedubbya wrote:

YEAAAA!!!

AWETHUMB!!!!

Good for ya!

I'd rather drive rusty nails through my ears with a hammer than listen to a Blues Guitar God mope on about how his kid fell out of a skyscraper window!

At some Crossroads in the Mississippi Delta...Robert Johnson is waiting to kick Clapton in the nuts for being such a whining bitch!

jig+pig
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:32:30 PM
^ some really good pickers came from those guys like Ricky Scaggs and Vince Gill and a few more that I can't

think of.

there are sooo many great guitar players that aren't heard of. How many of you have seen Danny Gatton? There isn't much on youtube about him but you do get a little taste of what he was about. Another local guy is Tom

Principato. I know, "never heard of him"...but he can play!

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:32:31 PM
Doc. I'm with you on Peter Green. I saw that incarnation of FM many times when they first toured the states and Peter green was spell binding. As for Clapton, I say again, at that time, before great players were a dime a dozen and when blues was peaking again, the riffs Clapton was playing were unheard of from a white kid. That changed quickly but he did popularize some iconic riffs. Sunshine of your love comes to mind with the beginning 8 bars and the inclusion of Blue Moon in the solo. I know it pales in comparison to guys like Steve Vai et el but, for his time, and still in my mind, he's one of the greats. You're also right about Mick Taylor. That kid could out do anybody when it came to Freddy King riffs. We really are very lucky to be able to hear these guys on an ongoing basis. Imagine being a Beethove or Rossini fan and only being able to hear then once or twice instead of on demand. "If music is the food of love, THEN PLAY ON".
jig+pig
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:34:08 PM
about Jimi Hindrex.....he could light a guitar on fire..........but was ahead of his time.
DrMaddVibe
Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:43:50 PM

Doc. I'm with you on Peter Green. I saw that incarnation of FM many times when they first toured the states and Peter green was spell binding. As for Clapton, I say again, at that time, before great players were a dime a dozen and when blues was peaking again, the riffs Clapton was playing were unheard of from a white kid. That changed quickly but he did popularize some iconic riffs. Sunshine of your love comes to mind with the beginning 8 bars and the inclusion of Blue Moon in the solo. I know it pales in comparison to guys like Steve Vai et el but, for his time, and still in my mind, he's one of the greats. You're also right about Mick Taylor. That kid could out do anybody when it came to Freddy King riffs. We really are very lucky to be able to hear these guys on an ongoing basis. Imagine being a Beethove or Rossini fan and only being able to hear then once or twice instead of on demand. "If music is the food of love, THEN PLAY ON".

errasa wrote:

No, I wasn't adding any new ones...Or jumping forward in time to state that someone now who's had the advantage of hearing the whole catalog and building on the backs of the former...nope. I really have a hard time hearing this solo stuff that's so good that makes everyone bow down. I'm coming from the point that he's a lazy but talented man that NEEDS better musicians around him to inspire him to step up his game. On his own he'd rather mail it in and just coast in to town on fumes.

Agree, with the THEN PLAY ON...always something playing on in the background for me...I have associates that pop in just to see what I'm spinnning on an almost daily basis. We usually sit and talk about various artists and similar tastes. It's all good..

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:57:36 PM
I'm assuming you and a bunch of others here play. I'd be curious as to who influenced you guys and why. My influences a wide reaching from Charlie Christian, to Merle Travis, to Mississippi John Hurt, to Grady Martin, Jerry Byrd, John Fahey, all the guys we've been talking about, any black finger that ever streched an 'A' string. There are tons of them.
hoyodude
Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:30:51 PM

Yeah...helps keep your pants up and shortens the neck for people that only play between the 1 and 5th frets!!!!

[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:

You gotta be kidding. Try telling that to Tommy Emmanuel. I think he's proven he's on another level than almost any other player in the world and, wadda ya know? He uses a capo sometimes! If you care to read something about his take on them read this:

http://www.totallyguitars.com/acousticsnapshots/tommy-emmanuel-on-set-ups-strings-and-capos.html 

I love it when guitarists get all uppity and self-righteous about the purity of their playing compared to others....funny stuff.😂