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14 years ago
President Obama said Friday that the last American soldier would leave Iraq by the end of the year, bringing to an end a nearly nine-year military engagement that cost the lives of 4,400 troops and more than $1 trillion, divided the American public, and came to define America’s role in the world.

Mr. Obama said that as of Jan. 1, 2012, the United States and Iraq would begin “a normal relationship between two sovereign nations, and equal partnership based on mutual interest and mutual respect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/world/middleeast/president-obama-announces-end-of-war-in-iraq.html 
HockeyDad
14 years ago
It is good to see President Obama upholding President Bush's commitment.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
[frypan]


Did he happen to mention when he was bringing the Boys back from Germany too?
DrafterX
14 years ago
are we taking the oil with us..?? 😕
tweoijfoi
14 years ago
That's a good budget reduction plan. W
ZRX1200
14 years ago
196 billion will put a BIG dent in 14 trillion for sure........and no promise has been kept yet
borndead1
14 years ago
Ummm...how is that a promise kept? It hasn't happened yet.

Until it does happen, it's just more blah blah blah...
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
U.S. Troop Withdrawal Motivated by Iraqi Insistence, Not U.S. Choice
By Yochi J. Dreazen

Updated: October 21, 2011 | 3:37 p.m.
October 21, 2011 | 1:42 p.m.

President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.
Obama campaigned on ending the war in Iraq but had instead spent the past few months trying to extend it. A 2008 security deal between Washington and Baghdad called for all American forces to leave Iraq by the end of the year, but the White House -- anxious about growing Iranian influence and Iraq’s continuing political and security challenges -- publicly and privately tried to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension. As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.

Those efforts had never really gone anywhere; one senior U.S. military official told National Journal last weekend that they were stuck at “first base” because of Iraqi reluctance to hold substantive talks.

That impasse makes Obama’s speech at the White House on Friday less a dramatic surprise than simple confirmation of what had long been expected by observers of the moribund talks between the administration and the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, which believes its own security forces are more than up to the task of protecting the country from terror attacks originating within its borders or foreign incursions from neighboring countries.

In Washington, many Republican lawmakers had spent recent weeks criticizing Obama for offering to keep a maximum of 3,000 troops in Iraq, far less than the 10,000-15,000 recommended by top American commanders in Iraq. That political point-scoring helped obscure that the choice wasn’t Obama’s to make. It was the Iraqis’, and recent interviews with officials in the country provided vivid evidence of just how unpopular the U.S. military presence there has become -- and just how badly the Iraqi political leadership wanted those troops to go home.

Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, for instance, is a hugely pro-American politician who believes Iraq's security forces will be incapable of protecting the country without sustained foreign assistance. But in a recent interview, he refused to endorse a U.S. troop extension and instead indicated that they should leave.

"We have serious security problems in this country and serious political problems," he said in an interview late last month at his heavily guarded compound in Baghdad. "Keeping Americans in Iraq longer isn't the answer to the problems of Iraq. It may be an answer to the problems of the U.S., but it's definitely not the solution to the problems of my country."

Shiite leaders -- including many from Maliki’s own Dawa Party -- were even more strongly opposed, with followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr threatening renewed violence if any American troops stayed past the end of the year. The Sadr threat was deeply alarming to Iraqis just beginning to rebuild their lives and their country after the bloody sectarian strife which ravaged Iraq for the past eight and a half years.

The only major Iraqi political bloc that was willing to speak publicly about a troop extension was the Kurdish alliance which governs the country’s north and has long had a testy relationship with Maliki and the country’s Sunni and Shia populations. But even Kurdish support was far from monolithic: Mahmoud Othman, an independent Kurdish lawmaker considered one of the most pro-American members of parliament, said in a recent interview that he wanted the U.S. troops out.

"Personally, I no longer want them to stay," Othman said. "It's been eight years. I don't think having Americans stay in Iraq will improve the situation at all. Leaving would be better for them and for us. It's time for us to go our separate ways."

The opposition from across Iraq’s political spectrum meant that Maliki would have needed to mount a Herculean effort to persuade the fractious parliament to sign off on any troop extension deals. His closest advisers conceded that such a deal would have virtually no chance of passing.

“Passing a new agreement now in the parliament would be very difficult, if not impossible,” Sadiq al-Ribaki, who heads Maliki’s political bloc in parliament and has long been one of his closest political advisers, said in a recent interview. “It’s a nonstarter for most of the parties and MPs.”

Maliki himself said in a recent Reuters interview that U.S. troops could only remain in Iraq if they had no immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, an absolute nonstarter with the Pentagon. The hundreds of U.S. troops who will be left behind to guard the mammoth American embassy in Baghdad and its consulates in Erbil and Basra -- and to man an embassy office dedicated to weapons sales to the Iraqis -- will have limited diplomatic immunity. Even so, American civilian officials will primarily be guarded by private security contractors, not U.S. troops. The State Department has talked of hiring as many as 8,000 such guards.

Obama’s Iraq remarks glossed over America's unpopularity in Iraq and his own administration’s failed efforts to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension.

“The last American soldier will cross the border from Iraq with their heads held high, proud of their success and knowing the American people stand united in our support for our troops,” Obama said. “Today I can say that our troops in Iraq will definitely be home for the holidays.”

That will undoubtedly be a good thing for the troops and their families, who have endured years of separation and constant fears of losing loved ones to the grinding conflict. The final withdrawals could also help salve some of the still-gaping political wounds left by the Bush administration’s initial decision to launch the invasion, a war which has been opposed by most Americans virtually from the start of the conflict in March 2003.

Ironically, a war launched, at least in part, to bring democracy and political freedom to Iraq will now come to an end precisely because of the free expression of those opinions. Iraqis from all backgrounds and beliefs wanted U.S. troops to leave. Come Dec. 31, for better or for worse, they’ll get their wish.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/u-s-troop-withdrawal-motivated-by-iraqi-insistence-not-u-s-choice-20111021 
pgje51
14 years ago
where are they moving to for the next round of 'wack-a-mole?
ZRX1200
14 years ago
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U.S. Troop Withdrawal Motivated by Iraqi Insistence, Not U.S. Choice
By Yochi J. Dreazen

Updated: October 21, 2011 | 3:37 p.m.
October 21, 2011 | 1:42 p.m.

President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.

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Not really, no. The US wanted every troop in Iraq to be immune from every law in Iraq, Iraq said no. Not wanting to put our troops in danger of prosecution for crimes they may or may not commit the US decided leaving was the best option.
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14 years ago

Iran.

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That's what the Republicans would like and the way Obama has been making decisions that's a distinct possibility.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
What do the republicans control??

Come on now, we both know Ohnummer is fighting a multi front "Ignore the rug pulling" with announcement after announcement. He's gonna run outta ammo before november without a new war front.

The war criminal will strike again mark my words.
MikeyRavioli
14 years ago

That's what the Republicans would like and the way Obama has been making decisions that's a distinct possibility.

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He wouldnt send troops. Just drones and bombs.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Or hide behind NATO to avoid the war powers act......
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14 years ago

What do the republicans control??

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The House, but that question has what to do with:

That's what the Republicans would like and the way Obama has been making decisions that's a distinct possibility.

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? Nothing really.
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14 years ago

Or hide behind NATO to avoid the war powers act......

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Yeah, every president since Vietnam has violated that act in one way or another and no one holds them accountable. "protect the homeland" and all that.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
It is hard to expect them to respect something that is called an act.
rfenst
14 years ago
As an American, I would think that the very first thing that ought to come to mind here is that the troops are leaving Iraq, not whether the President should or should not get credit for it...
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As an American, I would think that the very first thing that ought to come to mind here is that the troops are leaving Iraq, not whether the President should or should not get credit for it...

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Mission Accomplished.
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