wheelrite
14 years ago
The Supreme Court will begin hearing arguments in a few days....

I think it will be close but it'll be a 5-4 decision and it will be found unconstitutional..


what say you ?


wheel,
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
One can only hope.

If that does happen watch what happens on Wall Street!

itsawaldo
14 years ago
I hope you're right, we could use some good news.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
They'll probably chicken out and find the mandate unconstitutional but be o.k. with the rest of the perversion of the Commerce Clause.

I only hope Scalia and Thomas write the majority decision and language used really pisses off the lefties.
teedubbya
14 years ago
The court will find some fringe provision of th law unconstitutional resulting in virtual cheers and high fives in here and on the extreme right. Meanwhile it is already so entrenched a d largely implemented that in reality the decision has little effect. Those celebrating will either be disengenous or disengaged from reality. In other words everyone will win!
wheelrite
14 years ago

The court will find some fringe provision of th law unconstitutional resulting in virtual cheers and high fives in here and on the extreme right. Meanwhile it is already so entrenched a d largely implemented that in reality the decision has little effect. Those celebrating will either be disengenous or disengaged from reality. In other words everyone will win!

teedubbya wrote:



It's not to late to end it completly...
bloody spaniard
14 years ago
It'll be close but I agree with your assessment, Bill.

Problem is, many of us "little guys" (small businesses) are either grossly under-insured with HUGE premiums and high deductibles or have no coverage at all. Some of us use our existing health insurance as a catastrophic policy of sorts- pay out of pocket until we hit the inordinately high deductibles. We are going broke.

Something has to be done to provide American citizens with a modicum of adequate coverage at nominal prices. If one undergoes a major health calamity, there's a good chance that the doctor makes "nothing' (unless he's a plastic surgeon), the patient goes broke or loses his home paying bills, and the insurer makes a boatload of cash which he greedily divvies up with their investors and executives. That has to change. If nothing else, they have to include more preventative coverage, dental, and vision instead of paying for some old fart's viagra or some Georgetown law student's contraception. 😳
teedubbya
14 years ago
Good luck with that wheel. It is too late. There Re some provisions already implemented that will never be removed. Folks don't realize what has already been done.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
G Damn commies.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
3 Reasons

It represents the end of limited government.

It's price tag is already ballooning.

It's not going to make us healthier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k0hqX_VLhv0


A government that can MANDATE you to purchase something can tell you what clothes to wear and how to comb your hair.

Get real. There's NOTHING in that bill of fraud that cannot be repealed.
rfenst
14 years ago
Just read a brief article that points out that the case may not even be "ripe" yet pursuant to the Anti-Injunction Act of 1867. If so, it will not be until April 2015 before the minimum health care coverage penalty/tax will be due and payable.

The SCOTUS has a long history of trying to stay out of politics (Political Question Doctrine) and taking its time to release Opinions. My best guess is that even if it is "ripe", the Opinion won't be released until after the upcoming Presidential Election- unless it is to explain why SCOTUS doesn't believe it even has jurisdiction (yet).
topper7788
14 years ago

It'll be close but I agree with your assessment, Bill.

Problem is, many of us "little guys" (small businesses) are either grossly under-insured with HUGE premiums and high deductibles or have no coverage at all. Some of us use our existing health insurance as a catastrophic policy of sorts- pay out of pocket until we hit the inordinately high deductibles. We are going broke.

Something has to be done to provide American citizens with a modicum of adequate coverage at nominal prices. If one undergoes a major health calamity, there's a good chance that the doctor makes "nothing' (unless he's a plastic surgeon), the patient goes broke or loses his home paying bills, and the insurer makes a boatload of cash which he greedily divvies up with their investors and executives. That has to change. If nothing else, they have to include more preventative coverage, dental, and vision instead of paying for some old fart's viagra or some Georgetown law student's contraception. [-x

bloody spaniard wrote:



I happen to agree with you 200%.... Funny only those with health insurance seem to feel the current system works... It doesn't. I'm in the same boat as you and health insurance has been an ongoing issue since I stopped working for someone else... We are now lookng at a $10,000 out of pocket HSE policy as any reasonable coverage for our small company (wife and I) is close to $2,000 per month for us... We have been playing health insurance roulette for he last almost 3 years and have maintained coverage by getting friends to put us on their group policies (by listing us as working for them when in fact we don't) but unfortunatly my buddy just changed providers and the new carrier has only a local network in his home state so we are out... He's in Missouri, we live in Florida....so we have been uninsured since March 1st....just hoping no one ends up in the hospital before I find coverage....

FuzzNJ
14 years ago

I happen to agree with you 200%.... Funny only those with health insurance seem to feel the current system works... It doesn't. I'm in the same boat as you and health insurance has been an ongoing issue since I stopped working for someone else... We are now lookng at a $10,000 out of pocket HSE policy as any reasonable coverage for our small company (wife and I) is close to $2,000 per month for us... We have been playing health insurance roulette for he last almost 3 years and have maintained coverage by getting friends to put us on their group policies (by listing us as working for them when in fact we don't) but unfortunatly my buddy just changed providers and the new carrier has only a local network in his home state so we are out... He's in Missouri, we live in Florida....so we have been uninsured since March 1st....just hoping no one ends up in the hospital before I find coverage....

topper7788 wrote:




Bullsh*t. We have the best health care system in the world. You just need to work harder and stop being lazy. Don't ask me to pay for your boo boos, you communist.



bloody spaniard
14 years ago

I happen to agree with you 200%.... Funny only those with health insurance seem to feel the current system works... It doesn't. I'm in the same boat as you and health insurance has been an ongoing issue since I stopped working for someone else... We are now lookng at a $10,000 out of pocket HSE policy as any reasonable coverage for our small company (wife and I) is close to $2,000 per month for us... We have been playing health insurance roulette for he last almost 3 years and have maintained coverage by getting friends to put us on their group policies (by listing us as working for them when in fact we don't) but unfortunatly my buddy just changed providers and the new carrier has only a local network in his home state so we are out... He's in Missouri, we live in Florida....so we have been uninsured since March 1st....just hoping no one ends up in the hospital before I find coverage....

topper7788 wrote:




=d> =d> =d>
(I feel all alone sometimes)


Fuzz, are you doing your Bill Maher again?o:)
bloody spaniard
14 years ago
Btw, Dave, my friend, I would (attempt) to make a recommendation or two, but as you well know the rates/coverage/requirements vary from state to state for the SAME provider... It's a racket.

I'm sure you've googled quite a bit but here was a possibility that I found in my dust bin of a hard drive:
http://www.mostchoice.com/index.html 

Wishing you the best... your companion in the struggle.
🍺
Gene363
14 years ago
What ever happened to reducing medical costs? Besides the death panels, something which we actually need.

Either way insurance companies are making a killing, nothing like a product the government forces you to buy.

HockeyDad
14 years ago
Medical insurance companies are under the Obama Cone of Protection.

(You all got dupped!)
rfenst
14 years ago

If nothing else, they have to include more preventative coverage, dental, and vision instead of paying for some old fart's viagra or some Georgetown law student's contraception. [-x

bloody spaniard wrote:



The current private health insurance system only works for those who can afford it. Viagra and birth control pills are not the problem. The expense of medical care and insurance is. Quite frankly, I don't see any real solution that will satisfy all.
rfenst
14 years ago

... We have been playing health insurance roulette for he last almost 3 years and have maintained coverage by getting friends to put us on their group policies (by listing us as working for them when in fact we don't)....

topper7788 wrote:





No offense, but that is insurance fraud. Lying about it on a sworn application or during a sworn statement would be considered perjury. Since it was ongoing and involved crossing state lines, the feds would look to see if RICO applied and whether postal regulations were violated- at the least. And, that would be after the insurance company and state insurance commissioner got involved. Insurers and state insurance commissioners love this kind of stuff. Not worth it from my perspective.
bloody spaniard
14 years ago
LOL!!! Take the 5th, Topper, take the 5th!

Mere technicality- IMHO no different than folks who list their (nonworking) spouse as an employee of a corporation in order to qualify for SS/retirement benefits or people who violate laws that have been on the books for "centuries" regarding interracial marriage or "indecent" sex acts.
...and to "Top" it all, he's paying a premium for inadequate protection- more than most would do as opposed to going to the ER for a cold & ignoring the subsequent invoice...
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