DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
New CIA Memo Reveals Admiral, Not Obama, In Charge of bin Laden Raid; No "Gutsy Call" Was Ever Made

With the one year anniversary of Osama bin Laden's death less than one week away, the Obama Administration has been spiking the football for all its worth. The narrative that we have been told since May 1, 2011 is that President Obama made the call to kill bin Laden, with one aide even going so far as to say President Obama's action was "one of the ... gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

The White House has run with this, milking bin Laden's death for everything its worth. It's even to the point where if go to "gutsycall.com," your browser will automatically direct you to barackobama.com.

Honestly, if the final decisions were up to President Obama, and no other President would have even considered carrying out the raid that killed bin Laden, the President should have the right to use bin Laden's death any way he sees fit. The problem is that the so-called "gutsy call" never existed. Putting aside the fact that any President with Mr. Obama's intelligence information would have made the same call, a new memo released yesterday that Mr. Obama did not make the "final" call, nor was it terribly gutsy. Instead, it shows that the President merely authorized the possibility for going to Abbottabad... and left everything else up to Admiral William McRaven.

You can see the memo below, which was written by then-CIA head Leon Panetta (you can click on the image for better quality):

The memo reads (emphasis mine):
Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

In other words, everything from when to go in, what to do, and how to do it were all up to Admiral McRaven. The President played practically no role in bin Laden's death other than being aware of it and allowing it... if bin Laden was indeed there. It wasn't gutsy in the least, but one of Mr. Obama's trademark non-committal commitments. If bin Laden wasn't there and everything went south, he could have easily pointed to the memo and said, "Gee, I told them to get out if he wasn't there!" Instead, bin Laden was there and the President took all the credit that he possibly could.

But there was no gutsy call. And there never was unless it was made by Admiral McRaven.



http://www.punditpress.com/2012/04/new-cia-memo-reveals-admiral-not-obama.html 



Once again asleep at the wheel.
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wheelrite
14 years ago
well,,

as much as I detest Obama..
He does desreve credit for taking out Osama...
in my opinion...

After all, he is not a military tactician .His Generals are and he was wise enough to leave the details to the experts.
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frankj1
14 years ago

well,,

as much as I detest Obama..
He does desreve credit for taking out Osama...
in my opinion...

After all, he is not a military tactician .His Generals are and he was wise enough to leave the details to the experts.

wheelrite wrote:


very fair apprasial, Wheel. He acted as a President, relied on his people, the way good leadership should in making critical decisions. No leader, political, corporate, other, can win by micro managing and acting totally independent of advisors. Of course there had to be options in play. Trust your department managers.

The article carries a tone but is harmless.

Good job Brownie.
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Then why in the world would he make a political campaign ad trotting out a former President that could've taken Bin Laden out well over 10 times?????





[Sandy] Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit[uation] Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line. Though the president was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was somehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.

Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion. Berger alternated between phone calls and watching the clock.

The decision was stupid simple to make. They had the intelligence that this was the place and that he was there. While he was running for the job he said he'd do the exact thing and he did, what are we surprised because he actually KEPT a campaign promise and stood by his WORD?

The whole debacle of him saying Romney wouldn't have done that is pure garbage! Romney CALLED him and congratulated him on that decision!

GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that."

If that's all the Kenyan King has going for him moving into the elections he's got nothing! There are some holdovers that want their Hope and Change that think a 2nd term of this jackwagon would give it to them, but America can't afford another 5+ TRILLION DOLLAR addition to our debt problems. God only KNOWS what he'd do with no care of being re-elected again!

The half-truths and lies have got to go! This is just like the "war on women" and the "dog" debacles. Window dressing that backfires harder on the OJT teleprompter!
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wheelrite
14 years ago
He does need to go..

This may fall into the "Blind Squirrel and the Nut" Category.

However,
He could've pulled a Jimmy Carter like The failed rescue of the hostages in Iran.

To his credit,he did not.
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

He does need to go..

This may fall into the "Blind Squirrel and the Nut" Category.

However,
He could've pulled a Jimmy Carter like The failed rescue of the hostages in Iran.

To his credit,he did not.

wheelrite wrote:




Wheel...he did what he had to do not what he wanted to do. See the difference?

Now he's making political hay out of it. He wanted to be a big hero then hop on a plane and take him out with a knife while the camera's are rolling! No hellfire missile strikes...no Seal Team 6...mano y mano.

He didn't do it. All he did was tell his staff..."Handle it" and went back to putting in the Oval Office, planning his next vacation or shooting hoops!

As for Jimmy Carter...I NEVER thought anyone would make his administration look good! While we have the very same energy concerns...a mideast peace problem...a stalled economy...at least he didn't double down and give everyone 5 TRILLION in debt!
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wheelrite
14 years ago

Wheel...he did what he had to do not what he wanted to do. See the difference?

Now he's making political hay out of it. He wanted to be a big hero then hop on a plane and take him out with a knife while the camera's are rolling! No hellfire missile strikes...no Seal Team 6...mano y mano.

He didn't do it. All he did was tell his staff..."Handle it" and went back to putting in the Oval Office, planning his next vacation or shooting hoops!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




But, he could've mishandled it by micro managing the situation .

Now, scoring political points is another issue.

Don't get me wrong.
I depise the guy.

I do believe he handled this properly and deserves credit for doing so.#-o
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

But, he could've mishandled it by micro managing the situation .

Now, scoring ploitical points is another issue.

Don't get me wrong.
I depise the guy.

I do believe he handled this propoerly and deserves credit for doing so.#-o

wheelrite wrote:



Yeah and using it all for political campaigns...yeah....that's the way to do it.

Geez, then trot on out there and tell us how Romney wouldn't have bailed out GM, given the banks trillions to squirrel away and purchase foreign banks as well as prop them up, failed green initiatives and a golf game that can't break 100!

**** me running. You don't get prizes and accolades for doing the job you're supposed to do...you get them when you've gone above and beyond the measure. For POSITIVE reasons! To even use this for any political gain is a travesty! It's all mired down with hush hush super Top Secret crap. Show the pictures! Show the live feed! Instead of sending the body to the bottom of the ocean they should've stuffed it with bacon and let vultures eat it all while there's a live feed on it with missiles ready to take out anything that gets within 500 years of the trophy kill!
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frankj1
14 years ago
DMV, I'm separating the action at the time from its current use as a political/marketing/re-election tool. Simply reacting to what happened at the time, that's all. Perhaps Wheel and I are also making a counterpoint to your angry glee that Obama was not a gutsy warrior? Maybe. But OBL is dead (I think) even if the Prez did not shoot him, and that is good. More productive than Saddam's death.

But I understand and agree with your reaction to how it is being packaged and why...though we should not be shocked and appalled to learn politics is a dirty biz. You have the ability to show smearing of the current Prez by his opposition too, I am certain. I expect plenty from each going forward. You are correct, it is lower than filthy.

So much innuendo in the first few sentences of post #4 that I stopped reading, just another smear/opinion piece mixed with a few facts. No problem with opinions, just not particularly educational.

Doesn't seem like a big story to me. Sorry.

Re: Clinton, imagine the reaction to taking out OBL BEFORE an attack on our soil!
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wheelrite
14 years ago

Yeah and using it all for political campaigns...yeah....that's the way to do it.

Geez, then trot on out there and tell us how Romney wouldn't have bailed out GM, given the banks trillions to squirrel away and purchase foreign banks as well as prop them up, failed green initiatives and a golf game that can't break 100!

**** me running. You don't get prizes and accolades for doing the job you're supposed to do...you get them when you've gone above and beyond the measure. For POSITIVE reasons! To even use this for any political gain is a travesty! It's all mired down with hush hush super Top Secret crap. Show the pictures! Show the live feed! Instead of sending the body to the bottom of the ocean they should've stuffed it with bacon and let vultures eat it all while there's a live feed on it with missiles ready to take out anything that gets within 500 years of the trophy kill!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




all valid points
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

DMV, I'm separating the action at the time from its current use as a political/marketing/re-election tool. Simply reacting to what happened at the time, that's all. Perhaps Wheel and I are also making a counterpoint to your angry glee that Obama was not a gutsy warrior? Maybe. But OBL is dead (I think) even if the Prez did not shoot him, and that is good. More productive than Saddam's death.

But I understand and agree with your reaction to how it is being packaged and why...though we should not be shocked and appalled to learn politics is a dirty biz. You have the ability to show smearing of the current Prez by his opposition too, I am certain. I expect plenty from each going forward. You are correct, it is lower than filthy.

So much innuendo in the first few sentences of post #4 that I stopped reading, just another smear/opinion piece mixed with a few facts. No problem with opinions, just not particularly educational.

Doesn't seem like a big story to me. Sorry.

Re: Clinton, imagine the reaction to taking out OBL BEFORE an attack on our soil!

frankj1 wrote:




I'm stating that this SHOULDN'T be done by a sitting President. AT ALL! These decisions to revel in the guys killing is absurd. Remember all the pictures the left held up as GW as Hitler or drinking blood? Can you imagine IF he would've used 9-11 in a political ad to say he was better than his opponents? SAME THING! Now, this idiot wants to take all the credit like he pulled the trigger. YEAAAAA Team America! Watch THAT movie sometime today...please! It shouldn't have even been brought to the light of day that the raid happened. It was a surgical strike that gave up our stealth technology...don't forget THAT tidbit...so I view it all as a quid pro quo. Another stab in America's strengths played down so other 3rd world crap piles can reach our level while we sink under the crushing weight of debt and entitlements!


Smears? Really? More like facts some can't deal with tempered with attitude. I'm POSITIVE that if you searched you'd find the facts too! Clinton had ample opportunities to take OBL out before and DIDN'T...matter of fact he didn't even want the '93 Twin Towers attack labeled as a "terror attack" but a "crime". Don't believe me though! WAIT..There's MORE!

Clinton administration
Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[161] Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized.[162] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[163] In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état;[163] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was in.[162]

In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".[115]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Clinton_administration 

He's TAINTED by inaction and ineptitude yet is now some Voice of Reason? NO! He too failed America.


Now I'm reading the Brian Wilson is being given permission to interview the President in the Situation Room...the Holy of Holies in the White House...NOTHING is sacred to this moron. He puts his feet up on the Resolute Desk...plays ball in the Oval Office...zero respect for something that was GIVEN to him by Americans too stupid to see him for what he is!
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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Mission Accomplished

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=604177n 

FuzzNJ wrote:




Correct me if I'm wrong...I believe those "offending" images were removed.

"Mission Accomplished" wasn't a campaign ad. Nice try.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035666_war_on_terror_Al_Qaida_Obama.html 
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ZRX1200
14 years ago
This is conversation is pointless.

OBL was dead long beforw the raid and the gov't is doing everything it can to hide the photos. Its not a conspiracy when the gov't is actually doing it.

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DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

This is conversation is pointless.

OBL was dead long beforw the raid and the gov't is doing everything it can to hide the photos. Its not a conspiracy when the gov't is actually doing it.

ZRX1200 wrote:




THEY HATE COMPETITION!!!!
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rfenst
14 years ago
had things gone wrong, Obama would have taken the political hit. but they went right so it seems some don't want him taking credit. Most of the stuff that gets publicized in a Presidential Race is b.s. and useless. Obama gets credit for it happening on his watch, just like Bush gets credit for Saddam being caught on his watch. End of story IMO. But hey, both candidates need accolades and criticisms for a solid 6 months. in the scheme of things, who really cares? i think people already made up their mind whether to give Obama credit for OBL when it went down. Story over and not even close to aaa real issue to me.
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ZRX1200
14 years ago
^ while I agree the problem I had wasn't the credit going to Barry Soetoro it was the way his political operatives took away from the job the operators did killing a fake OBL.
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FuzzNJ
14 years ago
Being the victim in a horrible terrorist attack is not equal to killing the guy responsible for the terrorist attack. One showed incompetence, the other showed leadership.
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fishinguitarman
14 years ago
Bush made the call.....
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JadeRose
14 years ago
I'm just glad the cocksucker is dead. Frankly DMV, I think you'd rather he were still alive if it somehow guaranteed Obama's defeat. Face it, Brother.......you get 4 more years.
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