8trackdisco
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:19:29 AM
The people that make the most money are telling us less and less on where and how they got it, where it may be, and what (if any) taxes they are paying on it. From what I understand, it isn't illegal to have off shore accounts, but it is illegal not to pay taxes on the income on those monies. But, it is up to that individual to report the income and then report on their taxes.

Romney is only releasing two years of returns. Republican State Senate candidate Tommy Thompson announced he isn't going to show any of his tax returns at all.

Get ready for the new normal.

I'm equally irritated at the rich tax dodgers, and the drive toward toward the Socialism in the country.

In Atlas Shrugged, the idea people, the drivers of the economy disappear, one at a time as the government stuck their nose deeper and deeper into the business of buisiness people. The money is going (or gone) out of the country, can the industry leaders themselves be too far behind?

Numismaniac
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:32:29 AM
numi been trying to tell everyone to become more self-sufficient!
teedubbya
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:35:18 AM
I'm torn a bit on this one. I think it's a crock of **** that Romney et al will not disclose their taxes which is and has been the norm. I'm also disappointed many find it to be no big deal at the same time they want less relevant documents from others.

That said, the part that gets me from atlas shrugged is the government poking their nose in and them leaving. Seems to me wanting the tax returns, wanting off shore tax revenues etc. fits in this bucket (if you beleive this bucket).

I think the flaw in the concept is there isn't anywhere better to go at this point from an all round perspective. There may be more fertile ground for one peice but not the whole.

Meh. Who knows. I still think there is no place better than the USA and that our best days are ahead. But that seems to be controversial or stupid to some.

teedubbya
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:37:18 AM
And I don't know about atlas shrugging but ol brown eye sure is winking.
HockeyDad
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:33:34 AM

I still think there is no place better than the USA and that our best days are ahead.

teedubbya wrote:

Everyone is supposed to think that. Besides, most don't have the means to do anything about it even if they didn't believe it.

At some point you have to sit down and realize that much of the greatness that we see around us in the USA is the result of borrowed money. The question to be asked is what exactly would a plan look like for both individuals and all levels of government to live within their means and pay off their debt and thus avoid an eventual national bankruptcy.

The question is: What will austerity look like when it reaches the USA?

teedubbya
Monday, August 20, 2012 10:49:44 AM
I agree with getting debt under control but still stand by my statement. Not because I am supposed to or any other reason you chose to assign.
jackconrad
Monday, August 20, 2012 11:39:30 AM
Romney released 11 years of tax records in the 2008 race. He is simply letting Obama be proccupied talking about it and then will release the records at the last minute . The Obama has had no time to speak to the issues,,

These guys all suck !

Mathen
Monday, August 20, 2012 11:45:17 AM
I don't know why we expect any individual to release their tax records publicly. Short of a court order, there is no way in hell you're getting mine, and I'm not running for office. Or anything else!
victor809
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:08:18 PM
Romney et al are not the "Atlases" of Atlas Shrugged. (perhaps you didn't mean it that way, I don't know).

The entire point of Atlas Shrugged is that the producers leave (stop producing, whatever) because their labor and knowledge and capability is being coopted.

I hate to break it to you all.. I really do... but Atlas Shrugged has been pre-empted by the stockmarket. (and I liked the book, thought it was interesting)

The people in control of companies (public companies at least) are no longer the producers, they are investors and have no labor/knowledge or capability... only capital investment. Companies make decisions now based on short-term impact on investments. ie, they are simply responding to the whims of people with $$.

Yes, there are a few private companies... but even out of those, the number of those owned by people involved in leadership of the company on a daily basis is dwindling.

There will be no "atlas shrugging"...

HockeyDad
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:24:12 PM

I agree with getting debt under control but still stand by my statement. Not because I am supposed to or any other reason you chose to assign.

teedubbya wrote:

You should stand by your statement. What are you going to do....flee to Canada or Mexico?

HockeyDad
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:25:36 PM

Yes, there are a few private companies... but even out of those, the number of those owned by people involved in leadership of the company on a daily basis is dwindling.

victor809 wrote:

Chick-Fil-A is a great private company. I went there for lunch.

DrMaddVibe
Monday, August 20, 2012 12:38:14 PM

Romney released 11 years of tax records in the 2008 race. He is simply letting Obama be proccupied talking about it and then will release the records at the last minute . The Obama has had no time to speak to the issues,,

These guys all suck !

jackconrad wrote:

Thank you Jack for KNOWING this. I've already pointed this out but let's cover it again...and again.

Funny the media buckled at the hip and dropped to their tingling knees to slobber on the Kenyan King as he was annointed without the proper documentation need to certify onself. Now he pays millions to hide behind lawyers as it's known he's used a fraudulent SSN# and identity.

They didn't vet the man...if you dare mention his birth certificate...Bill Ayers...The Annenberg Foundation...Tony Rezko...or WHOM actually OWNS his Chicago home...you get dubbed as being koo-koo, but they can't explain ANY of it!

8trackdisco
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:23:36 PM

Romney released 11 years of tax records in the 2008 race.

jackconrad wrote:

So if that is true, the stuff he has to hide are from 2008-2010. It would make sense that Obama is now going to settle for the last 5 years.

wheelrite
Monday, August 20, 2012 8:25:27 PM

Thank you Jack for KNOWING this. I've already pointed this out but let's cover it again...and again.

Funny the media buckled at the hip and dropped to their tingling knees to slobber on the Kenyan King as he was annointed without the proper documentation need to certify onself. Now he pays millions to hide behind lawyers as it's known he's used a fraudulent SSN# and identity.

They didn't vet the man...if you dare mention his birth certificate...Bill Ayers...The Annenberg Foundation...Tony Rezko...or WHOM actually OWNS his Chicago home...you get dubbed as being koo-koo, but they can't explain ANY of it!

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Ron Paul in 2028 !!!

jetblasted
Monday, August 20, 2012 11:44:45 PM

numi been trying to tell everyone to become more self-sufficient!

Numismaniac wrote:

Something I've been obsessing over this past week. I'm *really* looking fwd to the vegetable garden next year.

jetblasted
Monday, August 20, 2012 11:47:08 PM
Aren't there so many much more important issues to be talking about than Romney's taxes for crying out loud ? ?
rfenst
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:07:50 AM

Ron Paul in 2028 !!!

wheelrite wrote:

LMAO. That battle cry has come and gone. The fad is over.

rfenst
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:11:58 AM

Aren't there so many much more important issues to be talking about than Romney's taxes for crying out loud ? ?

jetblasted wrote:

No. We have to know how wealthy he is so that we can either hail him as the messiah or reject him because he is out of touch with the rest of us poor peons.

dubleuhb
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:18:12 AM

Aren't there so many much more important issues to be talking about than Romney's taxes for crying out loud ? ?

jetblasted wrote:

Yes, the media obsesses on this while the real issues of the country go unreported. Unemployment has been above 8% for what 42 months ? Have this happen under a Republican and it would be front and center every night on the news. Hell when Bush was in office they cried about 5.5%

I would think that if there were any improprieties in Romney's earnings we would already know about it.

Not caring about the anointed ones history shows ignorance, to many unanswered questions and no one will ask or demand an answer.

jetblasted
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:41:56 AM

Yes, the media obsesses on this while the real issues of the country go unreported. Unemployment has been above 8% for what 42 months ? Have this happen under a Republican and it would be front and center every night on the news. Hell when Bush was in office they cried about 5.5%

I would think that if there were any improprieties in Romney's earnings we would already know about it.

Not caring about the anointed ones history shows ignorance, to many unanswered questions and no one will ask or demand an answer.

dubleuhb wrote:

My sentiments, exactly . . .