tailgater
Friday, September 7, 2012 10:08:51 AM
Looking to upgrade once again on my digital camera.

Considered a dSLR but don't know if the obvious advantages outweigh the cumbersome size including extra lens.

Most pictures are out and about.

Hiking, vacations, kids sports, etc.

So I need to be able to carry the camera, but don't necessarily need a pocket camera. The digital cameras like the larger Sony or Nikon might be a good bridge until I find the time to actually "need" the dSLR.

So again, looking at wants and needs, if I were to get a digital camera for under $400:

Need:

1. ability to shoot action shots like kids playing sports.

2. wide angle lens.

3. High quality pics.

Want:

1. High magnification lens 12X or better.

2. ability to snap pictures while taking video.

3. long battery life. I don't mind carrying an extra.

Since I'm not yet into the technical aspects of photography, I don't need ability for RAW, no hot shoe, etc.

It seems that most every camera review site has their own favorites, which is fine if they explain why.

Nikon for the lens. Sony for the features. Cannon for simplicity. Stuff like that.

I have no favorites and can learn a difficult camera if it's worth it.

Or should I just bite the bullet and get an entry level dSLR for a couple hundred more and accept the fact that I won't be taking it everywhere due to size?

KPP
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Friday, September 7, 2012 10:39:40 AM
The Nikon D3100 would be a good camera...assuming you go the route of the DSLR. It is now discontinued and can be bought for a great price as a result (sub $500).

I've got the old school D40 with an upgraded lens (VR 18-200mm) and if we upgrade the body, the 3100 is likely where we'd go.

tailgater
Friday, September 7, 2012 11:00:52 AM
My preference is not the dSLR. If I am convinced it's the only means to get what I want (minus the stealth) then I would need to rethink my wants.

KPP
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Friday, September 7, 2012 11:05:30 AM
It's cumbersome, that's definitely a negative against going that route.

We upgraded as a direct result of our son playing sports. For action shots, and getting in close while being in the bleachers or on the sidelines etc...it was the only way to go for us.

Curious to see others thoughts though...as I'm far from a camera expert. I relied on my BIL for our purchases, who is a super camera dork and recently started a photog biz on the side.

cacman
Friday, September 7, 2012 11:41:50 AM
Nikon instead of Canon. Don't want the dSLR then look at the Nikon 1 J1 Mirrorless Digital Camera.
grmcooper
Friday, September 7, 2012 12:16:00 PM
I'd like to buy a go pro someday.
jojoc
Friday, September 7, 2012 12:23:19 PM
have the Nikon D40X and one of the Nikon coolpix. the point and shoot coolpix is nice, but it sucks if there is any action or motion in the picture. I gave up using it for photos of the kids. So, if I don't want to carry the D40, I use my iPhone. In the end, I would say the coolpix was a waste of money for us.

Go wit the DSLR -- the quality of the photos are much better and they do a good job with action shots.

KPP
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Friday, September 7, 2012 12:25:29 PM
pretty much what I've heard/seen for the most part as well.. Nikon > Canon ... Although perhaps its along the same lines as the Ford vs. Chevy debate.

One piece of advice I've taken from my BIL is great photos are all about the glass. Features don't mean jack squat if you don't wanna take the time to learn how to use them. I certainly didnt. We just turn it on, adjust the zoom as needed and snap the pic. Once we got our upgraded lens, the clarity of our photos was night & day. Amazing. You pay up front of course, but we'll never need another lens and can upgrade the body when/if needed.

Our D40 is damn near 10 years old now and if we take care of it, may never need to upgrade. More of a want than anything.

Ram27
Friday, September 7, 2012 12:28:27 PM
PM The jet of blast...............8-[

[ram27bat]

barryneedleman
Friday, September 7, 2012 12:38:46 PM
We also went the DSLR route with Nikon D5000. For point and shoot, we use our iphones.

Love the Nikon.

jojoc
Friday, September 7, 2012 1:28:51 PM

pretty much what I've heard/seen for the most part as well.. Nikon > Canon ... Although perhaps its along the same lines as the Ford vs. Chevy debate.

One piece of advice I've taken from my BIL is great photos are all about the glass. Features don't mean jack squat if you don't wanna take the time to learn how to use them. I certainly didnt. We just turn it on, adjust the zoom as needed and snap the pic. Once we got our upgraded lens, the clarity of our photos was night & day. Amazing. You pay up front of course, but we'll never need another lens and can upgrade the body when/if needed.

Our D40 is damn near 10 years old now and if we take care of it, may never need to upgrade. More of a want than anything.

KPP wrote:

Just don't drop it on a concrete driveway! ................ just say'n ........................ 😣 😣 😣 😣

don't work so well after that

teedubbya
Friday, September 7, 2012 1:32:58 PM
Jet is a nikon guy if I remember right.

poke around www.dpreview.com/ I've given this a lot of thought and still can't make up my mind. I'm on the fence LOL

its like a baloon.... its a balance... to get something you typically have to give something up

teedubbya
Friday, September 7, 2012 1:33:29 PM
but the review of a camera or twomentioned in here is less than stellar.
jetblasted
Friday, September 7, 2012 3:03:27 PM
dpreview.com for the most comprehensive breakdown of camera choices & features.
tailgater
Friday, September 7, 2012 4:08:08 PM

dpreview.com for the most comprehensive breakdown of camera choices & features.

jetblasted wrote:

I'll check it out (based on Jet's recommendation, not TW's....)

Opinion please: You know cameras. You know photography in general.

Based on the average schmuck, can a digital camera do justice to light action such as a kids soccer game? Or is it dSLR or bust?

wheelrite
Friday, September 7, 2012 4:10:30 PM
Disposable is the best choice..

as with douche,,,

teedubbya
Friday, September 7, 2012 4:15:52 PM

Disposable is the best choice..

as with douche,,,

wheelrite wrote:

If we all felt that way we would have thrown you out long ago

tailgater
Friday, September 7, 2012 5:00:44 PM

Disposable is the best choice..

as with douche,,,

wheelrite wrote:

You douche.

I mean: you douche?

It's all in the punctuation.

jetblasted
Friday, September 7, 2012 6:13:59 PM
For kid's soccer, I'd get a cropped sensor camera, not a full frame sensor. A full frame is a Nikon D3, D700, D800, a Canon 1Dx, 5D, etc ... Everything else is a cropped sensor. A Full Frame sensor is the same size as a 35mm piece of film, with a cropped sensor, Nikon's conversion rate is 1.5 & Canon's is 1.6, that being said, because the sensor is smaller, a 50mm lens turns into a 75mm, etc. That being said, if you get a 70-300mm, the 300mm long end is actually 450mm ... that is a super long reach, for catching the action way down at the end of the field.

I know DSLR's are bulky with all the extra lenses, but they are fast shutters, and start up rate and focusing. A pocket camera can't compare to the speed a DSLR offers.

I'm not a fan of any f/3.5-f/5.6 lens, but for daylight shooting, it's fine. If you plan on shooting at night, you need a f/2.8 lens, and anything in the 200-300mm range for a f/2.8 lens will cost you an arm, and two legs.

If you do get a DSLR, then a 35mm f/1.8 lens is a bargain at $200. The f/1.8 aperture will open up wide for nighttime shooting indoors w/o flash. the 35mm will translate to a "normal" 50mm lens to add to your lens collection. Incomparible for shooting indoors, compared to any kit zoom lens. All kit zoom lenses are the f/3.5-f/5.6 range, and f/5.6 is tiny for letting light in.

Good Luck.

FYI, I shoo a Nikon D700 F/F camera with a 35-70/2.8 & 80-200/2.8 ... the 35-70 is 30 years old, and the 80-200 is 20 years old. Sharp as a tack, both of them.

Here's a tip. Buy your camera body new, and your lens used from KEH.com ... KEH is the world's largest used camera dealer & is just right down the street from me. They've been in business over 30 years, and are top-notch quality for customer service and used lens selection. Don't be afraid of a lens in BGN condition. You'll get a great deal on a used lens. Glass is forever, and don't be afraid of that.

smokestaxx
Friday, September 7, 2012 6:27:49 PM
nikon. this puppys perfect.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Nikon+-+Coolpix+S8200+Black+16.1-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Black/3166715.p?id=1218382027306&skuId=3166715 

i got 1 similar and it does wonders. if i had to buy 1 tomorrow this would be it