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jpotts
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13 years ago

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121207/POLITICS02/212070366/Right-work-bills-pass-Lansing?odyssey=tab |topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Right-to-work bills pass in Lansing

December 7, 2012 at 9:35 am
Karen Bouffard and Chad Livengood
Detroit News

Lansing — The birthplace of the nation's modern-day labor movement moved closer to becoming the nation's 24th right-to-work state after bills Gov. Rick Snyder vowed to sign into law passed their first hurdles in the Republican-controlled Legislature on Thursday.

The House and Senate each passed bills on the same day they were introduced that give private and public sector workers the right to avoid paying union dues in an organized workplace. Only police officers and firefighters would be exempt.

The package can't reach final completion until at least Tuesday because of procedural rules that require a five-day layover for two of the bills before they can be voted on in the other chamber.

That gives opponents more time to lobby against the legislation, like they did Thursday starting in the early morning when word spread the bills would be introduced, to late evening when the Senate finally adjourned.

Of course, there is no provision in there to prevent union thugs from harassing and/or assaulting people who don't want to be a part of their criminal enterprise. However, this is a good start...

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HockeyDad
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13 years ago

That crappy state should already have laws against harassment and assault.

jpotts
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13 years ago

That crappy state should already have laws against harassment and assault.

HockeyDad wrote:

Sorry, those were sold off to Kansas so that they could keep Detroit aflot for another month.

(In reality, the funds only lasted a week).

sd72
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13 years ago

Corporations win.

America loses.

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

Corporations win.

America loses.

sd72 wrote:

Buy out the corporations! (Just like that union is doing with Hostess. Oh wait...they went goose hunting instead)

jpotts
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13 years ago

Corporations win.

America loses.

sd72 wrote:

Really?

A family friend of ours poured basments for a living. He was good at it. He worked hard at it. He employed a couple of people and built up a small, respectable business around his trade.

But he didn't join the union. He didn't want the union negotiating his time for him. Moreover, he didn't want the union taking a cut of his money when they a) did nothing to help him, and b) only got in his way.

Well the union found out about this. They did the following:

a) destroyed or damaged his equipment,
b) took him to court, took virtually all of his savings, purt a lien on his business for back union dues,
c) harassed his customers, drove away his business,
d) harassed him, harassed his wife, harassed his employees and their families. They threatened all of them with bodily harm.

After suffering a heart attack, the guy is basically broke. Because of the heart attack, he can no longer do hard labor (in addition to owning the business, he had to work it as well because it was a small venture). Since his savings are gone - thanks to the unions - he had nothing to fall back on. He lost his business, his house, his cars...basically everything.

You want to take a good look at what "good" unions have done for our country? Well, take a look at GM, Chrysler, Detroit, and Flint.

Unions have been RIFE corruption, and infiltrated by organized crime since their inception. From Lucky Luciono and the Longshore workers unions, to Jimmy Hoffa's ties to the mob, all the way to the present day.

Frankly, in your feeble-minded scenario, I'll side with the corporations, thanks. If unions are America, "winning," then this nation is doomed.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

sd72
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13 years ago

Yup. People living in company towns, paid with chits only good in company stores, living in company housing, and working 16 hour days was better.
How do you think unions came about?

Company's drove people to stand together, and form unions.

Unions took the ball and ran it into corruption, and waste.

Guess what happens now? Do you see a pattern?the government is reactive, and won't enforce any type of worker protection from the company's who are about to cash in on all of us. Well all be paying for the pension funds that are insured by the Feds that are about to lose member funding. And well pay for it with about $8 an hour average pay.

Sorry about your buddy jpotts, I'm sure the big bad unions had nothing better to do than run a small owner operator business in to the ground for fear of going under because of him. Easy to blame failure on everything but what's in the mirror.

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

Easy to blame failure on everything but what's in the mirror.

sd72 wrote:

You mean like blaming the corporations?

sd72
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13 years ago

I don't blame them. Michigan will be non union and ill either move, or become my own corp. haven't decided yet. Gotta make choices based on what's available, I won't blame anyone or thing for my own well being. Maybe this is the kick in the pants I needed.

Abrignac
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13 years ago

#10

sd72 wrote:

Excellent points.

There was a need for unions during the industrial revolution. But, as with government corruption has turned some unions into monsters as bad as those they replaced.

tailgater
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13 years ago

#11

sd72 wrote:

YES!
Unions were good in Nineteen hundred so they must be good in two thousand!!

And while we're at it, let's go back to the horse and buggy and Obama's bayonets.

OK. That was sarcastic.

Let me ask you, if you truly believe everything you wrote above, please explain why there are public unions?
Teachers unions?

sd72
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13 years ago

#12

I'm well aware of how bad unions can be. Also how much corporations will bilk an employee in a quest to be the next richest in the world.

My point, as its been so many times here, is without a "group" to stand for workers rights as a whole, there will be no rights. Except for take what I give you or out the door you go. And what will be offered, will be enough to qualify for government aide while working 40 hrs. Or 29hrs as the case may be due to obamacare.

As far as teachers unions, I've never been in one. Private schools or public schools should be funded by the parents of the kids in them at the time. I've never related to paying school taxes for kids I didn't have.

Police/ firefighters? Don't know.

DrMaddVibe
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13 years ago

#13

sd72 wrote:

Really...that's ALL you got? For ****'s sake you forgot about putting 4 year old's to work in the coal mines!

Like it was already mentioned...1900 was a long time ago...we're NOT going back to it...well, we might when we go off the cliff...but whatever at least you'll have a sweet union steward bumping you to the curb so he can protect his!

tailgater
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13 years ago

#14

sd72 wrote:

No rights?

How about those who don't want a union, but are forced into it? They have no rights either.

I'll be honest: if I were in a skilled trade that required union participation, I'd be furious because the union would keep me DOWN.

I know I'd be able to earn more without their tenure and without their interference.
But the union thugs group the worst workers with the best and makes the same rules for all.

Are those the "rights' you're speaking of?

sd72
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13 years ago

#15

You obviously have no clue about unions other than what you learned here.

You won't earn over 100,000 as an employed tradesman working for a company whose non union. Is that being held down?

You always have a choice, I could do what I do non union. Just not at my current company. I'd have to pick from a thousand other ones.

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

#16

You won't earn over 100,000 as an employed tradesman working for a company whose non union. Is that being held down?

sd72 wrote:

If you earn over 100,000 as an employed tradesman working for a company whose is union, where does that company get that money from?

If you can't get that kind of money as non-union, are you worth that kind of money?

sd72
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13 years ago

#17

It comes from customers.

No one is worth any more or less than what they can get. There's someone out there who will do your job for less too.

Unions set the wage and the company hires who they want. And can lay off any one at any time with no repercussion. That's how construction unions work in Michigan. Only my wage is protected.

ZRX1200
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13 years ago

#18

These forums are a vast wealth of knowledge and intellect.

I'm outraged.

edin508
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13 years ago

#19

Sorry about your buddy jpotts, I'm sure the big bad unions had nothing better to do than run a small owner operator business in to the ground for fear of going under because of him. Easy to blame failure on everything but what's in the mirror.

sd72 wrote:

Where I work, it is me, the boss, and 2 apprentices. They (union guys) came onto my job site and slashed my tire. Then into my job site and started making threats. Why? Because we were working in "their area", so they say.
Sorry sd, It has nothing to do with the Union thinking we are going to run them into the ground. It has to do with the Union not wanting anyone else but them working, us or them attitude. Banners, blow up giant rats, yep, they were all there. They also thought it was funny to keep hitting the pedestrian cross walk light constantly to f up traffic in front of my site. The PD had to show up and threaten to arrest anyone that would not leave.
I just want to work and earn a paycheck, leave me alone! I have a family too. That tire cost me $225 that I didn't have to spend on that crap.

HockeyDad
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13 years ago

#20

sd72 wrote:

Your wage is only protected if the golden goose is not killed. It is all based on hoping the evil companies can pass on the cost to their customers. When they can't, Hostess goes out of business.

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