frankj1
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Friday, January 25, 2013 10:21:25 AM
OK you pharmacy majors. I could use some info on the pros and cons of vivitrol, perhaps even you non-pharmacists know of people who have taken it? My understanding is that it has one of the two parts found in soboxone, not the opiate, and is injected monthly.

For once, I am not kidding around. Thanks in advance.

Frank

05busa
Friday, January 25, 2013 10:23:49 AM
Does this go well with beer?
daveincincy
Friday, January 25, 2013 10:35:17 AM
I take some before starting a board war and trolling other forums to give me that extra edge.

Seek medical attention if trolling persists for more than 4 days

frankj1
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Friday, January 25, 2013 12:41:42 PM

Does this go well with beer?

05busa wrote:

unlikely. I think it kills the desire for alcohol, among other things.

nolen
Friday, January 25, 2013 1:27:28 PM
Good question Frank. There are two aspects of alcohol or narcotic dependence. 1. The physical craving 2. The mental obsession. The physical craving is the person's body saying "I need the drug" and the mental obsession says "how can I get the drug to relieve the mental pain I am experiencing."

Vivitrol (Naltrexone) helps to treat one aspect (of the two headed monster) which is the physical craving. It stops the body from craving the drug, and it works very well at this. It also helps quite a bit with the mental obsession because once the physical craving is at bay, the mind tends not to obsess on using the drug as much.

Having said all of that, the Vivitrol is not effective when the person experiences a significant "trigger" to use (stress, trauma, loss...). The triggers tend to over-ride the effect of the Vivitrol and the person ends up using.

What we have ever found to be the best treatment for the mental obsession is a person taking part in a 12 Step fellowship. There an addicted person learns from other addicted, sober people what to do when the triggers hit. They also pair a person up with a sponsor so that they have someone to call when a trigger hits.

Is Vivitrol or 12 Step the solution to substance addiction? No, if there was something that worked 100%, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 3:47:57 PM

Good question Frank. There are two aspects of alcohol or narcotic dependence. 1. The physical craving 2. The mental obsession. The physical craving is the person's body saying "I need the drug" and the mental obsession says "how can I get the drug to relieve the mental pain I am experiencing."

Vivitrol (Naltrexone) helps to treat one aspect (of the two headed monster) which is the physical craving. It stops the body from craving the drug, and it works very well at this. It also helps quite a bit with the mental obsession because once the physical craving is at bay, the mind tends not to obsess on using the drug as much.

Having said all of that, the Vivitrol is not effective when the person experiences a significant "trigger" to use (stress, trauma, loss...). The triggers tend to over-ride the effect of the Vivitrol and the person ends up using.

What we have ever found to be the best treatment for the mental obsession is a person taking part in a 12 Step fellowship. There an addicted person learns from other addicted, sober people what to do when the triggers hit. They also pair a person up with a sponsor so that they have someone to call when a trigger hits.

Is Vivitrol or 12 Step the solution to substance addiction? No, if there was something that worked 100%, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

nolen wrote:

thank you.

bloody spaniard
Friday, January 25, 2013 3:53:19 PM
Very cool- I deleted my foolishness after I saw Nolen's post, Frank.

Neither of us ever heard of vivitrol for addiction/craving control.

DrMaddVibe
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:02:55 PM
So...it's not the stuff I was taking in college the night before exams?
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Friday, January 25, 2013 4:03:03 PM
Nolen, would there be any lessening of the effect of the narcotic if taken during the month after injection of vivitrol? Any max amount of monthly doses?

Any worrisome risks or downside to trying that have become known?

bloody spaniard
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:08:19 PM

So...it's not the stuff I was taking in college the night before oral exams?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

viagra?

=p~

frankj1
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Friday, January 25, 2013 4:08:35 PM

Very cool- I deleted my foolishness after I saw Nolen's post, Frank.

Neither of us ever heard of vivitrol for addiction/craving control.

bloody spaniard wrote:

I'm okay with foolishness. I live here with youse guys, no?

DrMaddVibe
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:11:45 PM

viagra?

=p~

bloody spaniard wrote:

They didn't have that stuff in the 80's!

bloody spaniard
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:21:41 PM
Quiet Frank, I know it's your thread but I'm trying to get to the bottom of this...

They didn't have that stuff in the 80's!

DrMaddVibe wrote:

So oral exams couldn't have been very hard for you w/o the viagra. HAHAHAHA!

I remember taking "no doze" and the occasional Black Beauty along with tons of coffee because that's how you prepared ahead of time for cramming.

I was no slacker!

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Friday, January 25, 2013 4:27:48 PM

Quiet Frank, I know it's your thread but I'm trying to get to the bottom of this...

So oral exams couldn't have been very hard for you w/o the viagra. HAHAHAHA!

I remember taking "no doze" and the occasional Black Beauty along with tons of coffee because that's how you prepared ahead of time for cramming.

I was no slacker!

bloody spaniard wrote:

crystal...but that was the 70's, and ONLY for Final Exams.

bloody spaniard
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:32:14 PM

crystal...but that was the 70's, and ONLY for Final Exams.

frankj1 wrote:

Never did crystal, Frank. Couldn't.

I didn't have the criminal connections. You were lucky.[gonzo]

GrayBeard2
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:54:30 PM

Yo, F1 I kind of did a quick scan of the posts. Sounds like you want to self medicate. Forget about that and get a real Dr.

BTW Guys, Flaming a guy who maybe/has a problem isn't funny when he asks for help.

frankj1
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Friday, January 25, 2013 6:08:45 PM

Never did crystal, Frank. Couldn't.

I didn't have the criminal connections. You were lucky.[gonzo]

bloody spaniard wrote:

aha, The Man Who Knew Too Much shows up!

As the crooked nosed guys used to say, "I beg you, just pay. Don't MAKE me go to Rhode Island"

Actually, I hated crystal, and coke too...luckily..

frankj1
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Friday, January 25, 2013 6:10:12 PM

Yo, F1 I kind of did a quick scan of the posts. Sounds like you want to self medicate. Forget about that and get a real Dr.

BTW Guys, Flaming a guy who maybe/has a problem isn't funny when he asks for help.

GrayBeard2 wrote:

Am I that easy to see through? Dang.

JadeRose
Friday, January 25, 2013 9:45:08 PM
Been in recovery for 15 years .....10 sober. I know nothing about this drug you're looking at but I do know this....IF you are self-medicating...you WILL fail. How could you not? You can't control your intake now....why would this be any different. You HAVE to see a Doctor about this and start doing a 12 step program.

Gimme a PM if you want to chat about this off the boards. Not an expert on recovery but I tried a WHOLE LOT OF SHIT that DIDN'T work. Learn from others mistakes AND successes. That's really all 12 step programs are. A place where people fighting the same battle can come together to help one another. They work IF you find the right people. If you go to one that seems like bull$hit....go to a different one. You'll find where you need to be.

wheelrite
Friday, January 25, 2013 9:49:53 PM
See this is why snorting stuff is easier,,,

just kidding,,,

I did lots of dope but never craved any of it when it was all gone,,,

moderation and such,,,