bloody spaniard
13 years ago
they are among whites? (serious question)

Is it because of whites' careers, financial consideration, inability to sacrifice for children...? But aren't non-whites capable of same? Do non-whites (AND poverty stricken whites such as the Appalachian) rely on higher birth numbers in order to replace lost "manpower" due to disease, war, and poor nutrition? Is procreation more of a priority due to fewer recreational options than those available to the wealthier and the resulting births just an incidental product?

It is said that white Europeans are not having enough children to replace themselves and are in the advent of a "native/indigenous shortage" & will have to rely on Third World immigrants to maintain basic services in the near future. The same can be said of white Americans who will be the minority in 10- 15 years.

Serious, non-inflammatory discourse (if possible) please.
daveincincy
13 years ago
be fruitful and multiply...some take it a little too serious. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Don't be afraid to post. ๐Ÿ˜จ The pc police won't get ya. ๐Ÿ˜ฐ The worst that can happen is that the thread will be reported & pulled. ๐Ÿคจ
daveincincy
13 years ago

Is it because of whites' careers, financial consideration, inability to sacrifice for children...?

bloody spaniard wrote:



Yes
Careers...are becoming priority
Financial consideration...Need to have $X in bank, retirement, home, etc before having kids (how much is enough?)
Inability to sacrifice...selfishness, it's about my needs...and/or I make plenty of sacrifices...I drive them all around town to play sports.

But aren't non-whites capable of same?

bloody spaniard wrote:



Yes...if they are raised/taught/encouraged to believe in themselves and work hard (by example). But for the most part, it's a generational thing...kids raising kids and not seeing it (hard work, sacrifice) themselves.


I don't have an opinion on the other stuff you mention...other than sex has become a favorite past-time of teens these days. Getting pregnant is just part of the fun...and you might get a shot at being on a reality, teen mom, show if you're lucky.
dstieger
13 years ago

be fruitful and multiply...some take it a little too serious. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

daveincincy wrote:



They aren't mutually exclusive?
z6joker9
13 years ago
You covered a lot of it I believe. Raising children is a HUGE expenditure of time and resources. A lot of people are just deciding against it, probably because of the increase in things to do/ways of feeling self-fulfilled/new opportunities for women. It seems to be more prevalent as income goes up, so I'm not sure it's separated by race specifically. For example, the more modern Asian countries are also facing a shortage, in some cases worst than the West (which is helping drive the robotics industry there btw). The difference between white and other races might be correlation due to income disparities. Less money=less opportunity to do anything other than have children, combined with help from government programs that encourage child raising since we depend on an ever-increasing supply of workers to fund social security.

The income disparities might even be worsened by the decision of each camp to either have more kids or not, furthering the birth rate disparities.

EDIT: this is off the cuff thoughts on the matter; some of my info could definitely be wrong.
dstieger
13 years ago
Careful with correlation discussions that ignore a butt-ton of variables. Challenge your assumptions? What are the assumptions?

Are there any other common denominators? Religion? 'Social standing'? Geography? Divorce rates? Education factors - at home, teachers, quality of schools.... Access to health care? Pregnancy prevention education, contraception, etc.? Differing media influences?


Oh...and good luck keeping things less than flammatory.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

They aren't mutually exclusive?

dstieger wrote:



Not in agrarian societies where every available hand is needed for crops and care of young & elders.
dstieger
13 years ago
I meant being a fruit and procreation
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

You covered a lot of it I believe. Raising children is a HUGE expenditure of time and resources. A lot of people are just deciding against it, probably because of the increase in things to do/ways of feeling self-fulfilled/new opportunities for women. It seems to be more prevalent as income goes up, so I'm not sure it's separated by race specifically. For example, the more modern Asian countries are also facing a shortage, in some cases worst than the West (which is helping drive the robotics industry there btw). The difference between white and other races might be correlation due to income disparities. Less money=less opportunity to do anything other than have children, combined with help from government programs that encourage child raising since we depend on an ever-increasing supply of workers to fund social security.

The income disparities might even be worsened by the decision of each camp to either have more kids or not, furthering the birth rate disparities.

z6joker9 wrote:




Yes, I was thinking of Japan, Singapore, and China where affluent lifestyles & burgeoning middle classes plus Government enforcement dictates fewer progeny. But the less developed parts of Asia tend to have huge families & even export manpower such as the Philippines.


The irony is that India + China account for about 1/3 of the world's population and yet they have aggressive birth control.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

I meant being a fruit and procreation

dstieger wrote:




racistphobe (or something like that)! LOL
surfish1961
13 years ago
Because they (whites) can't afford to have children. Just my opinion.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
C'mon...gather 'round...bring it on in...c'mon...make yer buddy smile...always room for more...we'll be popping popcorn soon...c'mon...the show is about to start...


dstieger
13 years ago

Yes, I was thinking of Japan, Singapore, and China where affluent lifestyles & burgeoning middle classes plus Government enforcement dictates fewer progeny. But the less developed parts of Asia tend to have huge families & even export manpower such as the Philippines.


The irony is that India + China account for about 1/3 of the world's population and yet they have aggressive birth control.

bloody spaniard wrote:




What percentage of the Indian and Chinese populations are Catholic?


I'm not just a homophobe and a racistphobe. I'm also a religiphobe.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

What percentage of the Indian and Chinese populations are Catholic?


I'm not just a homophobe and a racistphobe. I'm also a religiphobe.

dstieger wrote:




That's a whole lotta phobin' goin on!
HockeyDad
13 years ago
Planned Parenthood is failing.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Planned Parenthood is failing.

HockeyDad wrote:




Passing out rubbers and abortions isn't really much of a plan...jus' sayin'...](*,)
teedubbya
13 years ago
I blame supersperm and larger deeks
jetblasted
13 years ago
I blame that bra-burning Gloria Steinem !! ๐ŸŒซ
z6joker9
13 years ago

Passing out rubbers and abortions isn't really much of a plan...jus' sayin'...](*,)

DrMaddVibe wrote:



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57568695/teen-birth-rates-hit-historic-low-in-u.s/ 

The number of unplanned + planned pregnancies will never be lower than the number of planned pregnancies alone. Planned parenthood reduces the number of unplanned pregnancies/births. They don't really encourage general parenthood so much as they help prevent unplanned parenthood.
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