dpnewell
13 years ago

How many people rooted for, cheered, or told you you deserved it?

I never understood the I suffered therefore you should too mentality.

I'm sorry to hear you are shutting your doors dp. That sucks. I hope your when your next chapter is written it includes riding a wave of an economy that is on fire and mucho profit.

teedubbya wrote:



THAT's what you got out of my post? OK, what ever.
teedubbya
13 years ago
It wasn't aimed directly at you DP. But I can understand how you took it that way when rereading things.

The only thing aimed at you is well wishes and unrequested sympathy for your business loss
teedubbya
13 years ago
I'm never happy to see someone else lose their jobs or income. It does nothing for me.
teedubbya
13 years ago
Wish I could edit easily.
dpnewell
13 years ago
^^Thanks, bud, much appreciated.
gringococolo
13 years ago

Gringo, I have no ill will toward you or your family. I'm sure that you work hard and do your job with pride. With that said, government employees have been insulated from the pain and suffering the rest of us have gone through these past years. I personally have taken a 60% pay cut over the past 4 years (near poverty level), hoping to somehow keep the doors open until this recession turns around. I've lost the battle, and will have to close my doors in a few months. My family has had to do without medical insurance as it's just not affordable. Our life savings are almost gone. Over that same period of time, my property taxes have jumped from $5,800 to over $7,000. The tax payers are suffering, yet our teachers and other public officials continue to get yearly pay increases at our expense.

Don't expect me to shed a tear, now that some government employees are finally getting a tiny taste of the suffering many of us have had to endure. To those of us who have burdened the blunt of this recession, the sob stories we hear from the "sequested" are laughable at best. Personally, they anger me, as the ones crying these tears come across as protected elitists that think they shouldn't have to give up anything, while those paying their salaries can barely get by.

dpnewell wrote:



First of all I never complained about loosing money. I complained about the idea that people will have suffer because of this stupid sequester idea.

Second is it government employees fault they were "insulated"?

Third is it really compassionate to wish others, due to no fault of their own, suffer as you have?

Fourth can you actually blame someone for wanting to protect their pay?

Fifth not every business in the private sector has suffered, several have boomed.

Sixth the only federal employees you should blame for the failures or slowdown in your business are the congress and the last two presidents.

I just don't see the justification.

I really don't have a choice but to have a federal job in my line of work. I get offers from the private sector (from former service members usually) employees trying to hire me all the time.
gringococolo
13 years ago

Gringo, I have no ill will toward you or your family. I'm sure that you work hard and do your job with pride. With that said, government employees have been insulated from the pain and suffering the rest of us have gone through these past years. I personally have taken a 60% pay cut over the past 4 years (near poverty level), hoping to somehow keep the doors open until this recession turns around. I've lost the battle, and will have to close my doors in a few months. My family has had to do without medical insurance as it's just not affordable. Our life savings are almost gone. Over that same period of time, my property taxes have jumped from $5,800 to over $7,000. The tax payers are suffering, yet our teachers and other public officials continue to get yearly pay increases at our expense.

Don't expect me to shed a tear, now that some government employees are finally getting a tiny taste of the suffering many of us have had to endure. To those of us who have burdened the blunt of this recession, the sob stories we hear from the "sequested" are laughable at best. Personally, they anger me, as the ones crying these tears come across as protected elitists that think they shouldn't have to give up anything, while those paying their salaries can barely get by.

dpnewell wrote:



Sorry your business is not going well. I certainly do not want it to fail. But I do not accept blame for it. I did not vote for this clown in office, nor do I support the monitary policy.

The government needs to get it's finances in order, ease the tax burden, and shrink in many ways.
gringococolo
13 years ago

So you're mad at us no matter our response to you purposely taking a tone I don't ever remembered you taking with anyone. I poked back not knowing if it was a joke or you'd gone off the deep end.

I don't like shenanigans at the expense of people at large here. With an individual or a post sure, but this?

Sad.


I'm done here.

ZRX1200 wrote:




Telling someone to eat a ******?? Not shenanigans.

And I don't like generic, broad brush, assumptions.

Although you were a "target" it's not personal. I really didn't feel like singling out every single comment made on this thread.

People just need to wake up and see what misplaced rage looks like.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

The government needs to get it's finances in order, ease the tax burden, and shrink in many ways.

gringococolo wrote:




Not gonna happen! Best strategy at this point is rape & pillage. Arghhh!
gringococolo
13 years ago

gringococolo, there is hope for you. I loved my job and the people I worked with, however since retiring I have been stupid happy. Why? Because I no longer have to suffer the total mind numbing working conditions of a government installation.

Gene363 wrote:




I'm just doing my job. I am a little insulated because my job is more like a service industry. You either keep planes apart or you get fired.

I don't let myself get all worked up with the mismanagement. I do my job to the best of my ability and go home. I don't have project deadlines anymore, no inbox of 100's of emails every morning. But I am not lazy. I don't abuse my breaks, try to go above and beyond to provide service. But you know what happens when you try and do more and something goes wrong (two airplanes get close), you get fired because they will blame you anyway. Oh well, that's the risk I take. My soul is right with God.

The other comments like you can't get fired for any reason are silly. Yes you really have to screw up. I am pretty sure tardiness, not incompetence if the number one reason people get fired in the federal government, drugs would be the other. Though there are many many incompetent people.

It is frustrating working for government. But is isn't my fault, it's the institution as a whole. Design flaws.

Certainly shouldn't feel guilty because there is a pension plan that is better than most. If people truly understood the FERS system I think they would be shocked. It doesn't pay nearly as much as people think. You aren't going to retire rich in a lower paying govt job for damn sure. It's going to be double wide and generic cigaretts.

dpnewell
13 years ago

First of all I never complained about loosing money. I complained about the idea that people will have suffer because of this stupid sequester idea.

Second is it government employees fault they were "insulated"?

Third is it really compassionate to wish others, due to no fault of their own, suffer as you have?

Fourth can you actually blame someone for wanting to protect their pay?

Fifth not every business in the private sector has suffered, several have boomed.

Sixth the only federal employees you should blame for the failures or slowdown in your business are the congress and the last two presidents.

I just don't see the justification.

I really don't have a choice but to have a federal job in my line of work. I get offers from the private sector (from former service members usually) employees trying to hire me all the time.

gringococolo wrote:



Where in the world did you pull that crap out of? Where did I ever say that I wanted others to suffer like I have? I was stating facts about our current economical reality, not putting the blame for anything, on anyone. Sometimes I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. 😣 Some of you folks need lessons on reading comprehension.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
Obama Cone of Protection: get some!
Brewha
13 years ago

Obama Cone of Protection: get some!

HockeyDad wrote:


🙄
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Dpnewell, don't waste your breath. Many don't get it and probably won't 'til reality hits them in the ass and their golden goose finally dies.

That mindset emanates from the same zoo in the once thriving (now struggling due to illegal sanctuary status, etc.) Montgomery county which JUST (today) voted themselves a hefty 20% pay raise over two years. Only ONE dissenting voice pointed out that it was immoral due to struggling county suckers, er, taxpayers footing the bill.

Hope you got my email.🇨🇮
BuckyB93
13 years ago


If I had to pin numbers to percentages of lazy or entitled. Lets see. 10% - 20% militant entitled, included in the militant column is lazy total percentage between the two around 15% to 25%. The average workers that just come, do their job and go home, 40% to 60%. The ones that come to work and try and go above and beyond, 20% to 25%. Breakdown over simplified: 25% lazy/entitled, 50% average do their job nothing more, 25% doing the best they can in a job that normally doesn't reward efficiency. Based on observation, not scientific.

gringococolo wrote:



I’m not sure I want to step into this little brushfire but

In the private sector…
25% lazy/entitled = costing the business money.
50% performing at an average level, doing nothing more = not helping the business grow or make the business any money.
25% trying to improve = actually contributing to current profits and future growth.

A business like that would not last long and needs a serious shot of reality. 25% of the employees have to carry the other 75%? The taxpayers fund all three groups knowing there is not much they can do about it and that a majority of the government workers are a drain on the system. This is why private sector folks have a hard time shedding tears for the woes of public sector employees.

In the private sector...
- The first group gets **** canned without delay or remorse.
- The second group gets a window of time to decide for themselves if they wanted to become a member of the first or third group.
- The third group may get a small reward in the form of profit sharing, merit increase and/or bonus (assuming group’s 1 and 2 haven’t cost the business all of its profits).
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
I agree with 98.2% of what Bucky said. Or was it 92.8%?
HockeyDad
13 years ago
I wonder if the Golden Goose is exempt from Obamacare?

Save the Golden Goose!
teedubbya
13 years ago
I think part of the problem is folks talk past each other because they are so right and the other guy will just never get it.

I like waffle cones
DrafterX
13 years ago
I could sure use a waffle cone stuffed with a couple scoops of buttered pecan.... 😟
HockeyDad
13 years ago

I could sure use a waffle cone stuffed with a couple scoops of buttered pecan.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Government workers call that "breakfast"!
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