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DrMaddVibe
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12 years ago

Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US over response to conflict in Syria

Saudi Arabia is an important ally to the U.S. as it provides a secure source of oil
Saudi diplomats now promise a 'major shift' in relations with the U.S. over inaction in the conflict in Syria
Secretary of State John Kerry says he is committed to keeping a good relationship with the Saudis

Upset at President Barack Obama's policies on Iran and Syria, members of Saudi Arabia's ruling family are threatening a rift with the United States that could take the alliance between Washington and the kingdom to its lowest point in years.

Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief is vowing that the kingdom will make a 'major shift' in relations with the United States to protest perceived American inaction over Syria's civil war as well as recent U.S. overtures to Iran, a source close to Saudi policy said on Tuesday.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan told European diplomats that the United States had failed to act effectively against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was growing closer to Tehran, and had failed to back Saudi support for Bahrain when it crushed an anti-government revolt in 2011, the source said.

The shift away from the U.S. is a major one,' the source close to Saudi policy said. 'Saudi doesn't want to find itself any longer in a situation where it is dependent.'

It was not immediately clear whether the reported statements by Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to Washington for 22 years, had the full backing of King Abdullah.

The growing breach between the United States and Saudi Arabia was also on display in Washington, where another senior Saudi prince criticized Obama's Middle East policies, accusing him of 'dithering' on Syria and Israeli-Palestinian peace.

In unusually blunt public remarks, Prince Turki al-Faisal called Obama's policies in Syria 'lamentable' and ridiculed a U.S.-Russian deal to eliminate Assad's chemical weapons. He suggested it was a ruse to let Obama avoid military action in Syria.

'The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious. And designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down (from military strikes), but also to help Assad to butcher his people,' said Prince Turki, a member of the Saudi royal family and former director of Saudi intelligence.

The United States and Saudi Arabia have been allies since the kingdom was declared in 1932, giving Riyadh a powerful military protector and Washington secure oil supplies.

The Saudi criticism came days after the 40th anniversary of the October 1973 Arab oil embargo imposed to punish the West for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

That was one of the low points in U.S.-Saudi ties, which were also badly shaken by the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals.

Saudi Arabia gave a clear sign of its displeasure over Obama's foreign policy last week when it rejected a coveted two-year term on the U.N. Security Council in a display of anger over the failure of the international community to end the war in Syria and act on other Middle East issues.

Prince Turki indicated that Saudi Arabia will not reverse that decision, which he said was a result of the Security Council's failure to stop Assad and implement its own decision on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

'There is nothing whimsical about the decision to forego membership of the Security Council. It is based on the ineffectual experience of that body,' he said in a speech to the Washington-based National Council on U.S.-Arab Relations.

In London, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said he discussed Riyadh's concerns when he met Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal in Paris on Monday.

Kerry said he told the Saudi minister no deal with Iran was better than a bad deal. 'I have great confidence that the United States and Saudi Arabia will continue to be the close and important friends and allies that we have been,' Kerry told reporters.

Prince Bandar is seen as a foreign policy hawk, especially on Iran. The Sunni Muslim kingdom's rivalry with Shi'ite Iran, an ally of Syria, has amplified sectarian tensions across the Middle East.

A son of the late defense minister and crown prince, Prince Sultan, and a protégé of the late King Fahd, he fell from favor with King Abdullah after clashing on foreign policy in 2005.

But he was called in from the cold last year with a mandate to bring down Assad, diplomats in the Gulf say. Over the past year, he has led Saudi efforts to bring arms and other aid to Syrian rebels.

'Prince Bandar told diplomats that he plans to limit interaction with the U.S.,' the source close to Saudi policy said.

This happens after the U.S. failed to take any effective action on Syria and Palestine. Relations with the U.S. have been deteriorating for a while, as Saudi feels that the U.S. is growing closer with Iran and the U.S. also failed to support Saudi during the Bahrain uprising," the source said.

The source declined to provide more details of Bandar's talks with the diplomats, which took place in the past few days.

But he suggested that the planned change in ties between the energy superpower and the United States would have wide-ranging consequences, including on arms purchases and oil sales.

Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil exporter, ploughs much of its earnings back into U.S. assets. Most of the Saudi central bank's net foreign assets of $690 billion are thought to be denominated in dollars, much of them in U.S. Treasury bonds.

'All options are on the table now, and for sure there will be some impact,' the Saudi source said.

He said there would be no further coordination with the United States over the war in Syria, where the Saudis have armed and financed rebel groups fighting Assad.

The kingdom has informed the United States of its actions in Syria, and diplomats say it has respected U.S. requests not to supply the groups with advanced weaponry that the West fears could fall into the hands of al Qaeda-aligned groups.

Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki Al Faisal also is outraged the international community has let the war continue in Syria
Saudi anger boiled over after Washington refrained from military strikes in response to a poison gas attack in Damascus in August when Assad agreed to give up his chemical weapons arsenal.

Representative Chris Van Hollen, a member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Democratic leadership, told Reuters' Washington Summit on Tuesday that the Saudi moves were intended to pressure Obama to take action in Syria.

'We know their game. They're trying to send a signal that we should all get involved militarily in Syria, and I think that would be a big mistake to get in the middle of the Syrian civil war,' Van Hollen said.

'And the Saudis should start by stopping their funding of the al Qaeda-related groups in Syria. In addition to the fact that it's a country that doesn't allow women to drive,' said Van Hollen, who is close to Obama on domestic issues in Congress but is less influential on foreign policy.

Saudi Arabia is concerned about signs of a tentative reconciliation between Washington and Tehran, something Riyadh fears may lead to a 'grand bargain' on the Iranian nuclear program that would leave Riyadh at a disadvantage.

Prince Turki expressed doubt that Obama would succeed in what he called an 'open arms approach' to Iran, which he accused of meddling in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and Bahrain.

'We Saudis observe President Obama's efforts in this regard. The road ahead is arduous,' he said. 'Whether (Iranian President Hassan) Rouhani will succeed in steering Iran toward sensible policies is already contested in Iran. The forces of darkness in Qom and Tehran are well entrenched.'

The U.N. Security Council has been paralyzed over the 31-month-old Syria conflict, with permanent members Russia and China repeatedly blocking measures to condemn Assad.

Saudi Arabia backs Assad's mostly Sunni rebel foes. The Syrian leader, whose Alawite sect is derived from Shi'ite Islam, has support from Iran and the armed Lebanese Shi'ite movement Hezbollah. The Syrian leader denounces the insurgents as al Qaeda-linked groups backed by Sunni-ruled states.

In Bahrain, home of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, a simmering pro-democracy revolt by its Shi'ite majority has prompted calls by some in Washington for U.S. ships to be based elsewhere.

Many U.S. economic interests in Saudi Arabia involve government contracts in defense, other security sectors, health care, education, information technology and construction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2472680/Saudi-Arabia-severs-diplomatic-ties-US-response-conflict-Syria.html

It's amateur hour in DC now.

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HockeyDad
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12 years ago

The Saudis told Obama to bomb Syria and he told them to submit the request through healthcare.gov.

They should be pissed. I hope they don't blow the World Trade Center up again.

DrafterX
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12 years ago

Obama still has time to bomb Syria... they did cross da Red line afterall... 😟

bloody spaniard
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12 years ago

Bush will be heartbroken. He still has the pinky friendship ring from his kissy, hand- holding pals that he helped keep in power..

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

Bush will be heartbroken. He still has the pinky friendship ring from his kissy, hand- holding pals that he helped keep in power..

bloody spaniard wrote:

Nobody said anything about their friendship being on the rocks.

rfenst
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12 years ago

Nobody said anything about their friendship being on the rocks.

HockeyDad wrote:

I thought the consensus here was that Obama was exceeding his authority by attacking;
and that the U.S. has no reason to intercede as the world's cops.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
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12 years ago

I thought the consensus here was that Obama was exceeding his authority by attacking;
and that the U.S. has no reason to intercede as the world's cops.

rfenst wrote:

It was the consensus but then Syria dropped completely out of the news.

rfenst
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12 years ago

It was the consensus but then Syria dropped completely out of the news.

HockeyDad wrote:

Yeah. And SA can bomb Syria itself- but that leaves their guard down with Iran. SA has made two stupid moves now. Let SA mediate Israel v. Palestine for a try...

Abrignac
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12 years ago

Sounds like a Middle East Problem. I would think those in the Middle East need to be on the front line and deal with this like the regional issue that it is.

snowwolf777
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12 years ago

#10

I think we should remain friends with them.

I heard they have the Weirding Module.:-s

teedubbya
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12 years ago

#11

They told Obama to make them a sammich. He didn't do it. I don't blame them for being pissed. They just might pimp slap him.

bloody spaniard
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12 years ago

#12

The Wahhabis will eventually have them with wasabi.

DrMaddVibe
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12 years ago

#13

Yeah. And SA can bomb Syria itself- but that leaves their guard down with Iran. SA has made two stupid moves now. Let SA mediate Israel v. Palestine for a try...

rfenst wrote:

LMAO!!!!

[frypan]

bloody spaniard
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12 years ago

#14

hoo haa?! What was that loud explosion? Can't hear anything now...🤔

rfenst
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12 years ago

#15

LMAO!!!!

[frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I know...

Abrignac
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12 years ago

#16

Nothing but another quagmire. Some folks were gassed. Who did it Assad or the opposition hoping Assad is blamed? Screw SA. We should start buying more oil from Venezuela. Of course then the Saudi royal family's income stream my dry up a bit.

Abrignac
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12 years ago

#17

Buckwheat
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12 years ago

#18

Sounds like a Middle East Problem. I would think those in the Middle East need to be on the front line and deal with this like the regional issue that it is.

Abrignac wrote:

Since globalization there aren't regions anymore. It is everyone's problem. 🌫

bloody spaniard
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12 years ago

#19

Let the sand jockeys pay our soldiers' (volunteers only) salaries & bennies if they want foreign intervention and rebuilding.
Leave the US taxpayer and our innocent kids out of it.
All we need is our borders guarded & illegals rounded up.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

jackconrad
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12 years ago

#20

LET THEM POUND SAND !!

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