Piece Bruthas !

ALLAH AQBAR!!! can i light it and run like heck!! takes me back to the old days

Such a loving look on his face.

Jack,

Why would you post this? People died over the stupidity of this picture. A stupid reason, and a stupid result. Regardless, they died.

To a Muslim this is offensive. Sort of like how a Christian would feel if you posted a photo of the Lord Christ getting sodomized by a bunch of homosexual Catholic Priests.

This photo is a photo of hate. You mock their religion and their faith, by posting a message of hate, that is meant only to cause anger, more hatred, and potentially, if the right people see it, cause injury or death.

Why would you post this?

Are you a Christian?

WWJD?

While i did not realize this was that cartoon , This is my country not theirs. I am offeneded when they post beheadings on the internet. i am offended when they blow up innocent people, i am offended when they treat women like dirt and i am offended when they fly planes into buildings. I understand how you feel, but that's how i feel. I don't think this is a funny picture, it speaks volumes about the current situation in the world.

No Jack,

You are offended when the VERY SMALL percentage of THEM post that type of stuff on the net, and do those types of things. 1.2 billion muslims do NOT do what you claim they do.

I'm sure that like you, most of them are offended by the horrible things that some of US do, say, and post on the internet too. Not all of us....just a few. Are you one of those few?

There are radical people everywhere, in ALL religions, and by posting this, you just made yourself one of them.

Hate will win if you let it.

I don't personally hate any Muslims who are good people. But this is a provocative cartoon portraying the hate of the radicals. Yes he looks like a prophet, but remember Satan was Gods favorite Angel. To me this is just a thought provoking picture like the many artistic endeavors in our country that also mock God and Jesus.

And I agree with you, and I see nothing wrong with this picture. In fact I see it is a really good editorial cartoon.

However, it is offensive to an entire group of people that make up one fifth of the world's population. I take that into consideration.

You said that you didn't realize that THIS was the cartoon that raised all the ruckus, so I'm glad about that. Posting this photo knowing that, under the thread title "gentle religion" would be like sticking a stick into a hornets nest then wondering why the hornets got angry.

For some reason, nobody on this board has the balls to post a photo of a dead black man hanging from a tree, a dead gay kid tied to a fence in Wyoming, or Jesus dressed in drag, but they have an awful lot of courage when it comes to posting photos of grieving Iraqi women crying over their dead children, or cartoons that make a mockery of a Muslim religious figure.

Someone posted a thread 2 weeks ago questioning WHY they hate us.

This is one of the reasons.

I've heard the argumants about how small a percentage of Islam is radical. I've also seen the videotape of Palestinians dancing in the street and the women ululating on 9/11, I've also heard credible reports that the only reason we didn't see similar videotape from Riyadh was because the Saudi censors confiscated the tape before it could be transmitted. The vast majority of Americans aren't NFL football players, but that doesn't mean they don't support the Superbowl! These people (or should I say their govenments mouthpieces) say they abhor terrorism, but our 'friends' wont let us go into a region that they admit only the most tenuous control over, and root out Bin Ladin. The vast 'minority' of the residents of that part of Pakistan support him, even though they aren't personally terrorists. Where does Bin Laden and Al Zarwahiri get their financil support? from that same vas 'minority' that tries to play both sides of the fence. As ugly as the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan is, I think it's less ugly than watching bodies pulled out of rubble that was two skyscrapers for MONTHS! If this is offensive to Muslims, let them PROVE their love of peace by policing their own ranks! YES, there are bad people spreading hatred in the name of Christianity (the bozos protesting at soldiers funerals comes immediately to mind) but that doesn't cause people to go burning down the city that stupid church is in. We find it offensive, but we don't go killing people because they offend us. Maybe by all the killings you remind us of, they prove the truth of this cartoon. If they are followers of a religeon of peace, let THEM prove it! So far, all I see is a bunch of people who seem all too ready to inflict violence on others, and have no regard for collateral damage done even to their OWN people! I'm sick and Goddamn TIRED of hearing how offended evry F%&*#G body ELSE is with US, I'm getting pretty F%#$&*G offended my own Goddamn self! Next time you want to try to apologize to your friends for the behavior of your countrymen, tell them that at least there isn't a huge, glazed, glow-in-the-dark parking lot from Morocco to Thailand!

Hey CW,

Why is it that whenever you speak of the horrible things going on in Pakistan, Iraq, or Saudi, you automatically associate that with "Islam." You do realize right, that not ALL Muslims live in the middle east, yes?

This thread was relaxed and calm...please settle yourself down a bit. You've got a bit too much anger right now. Next you'll be blowing up someone.

So some idiots danced in the streets when they brought down our WTC? So? How many sports bars in America do you suppose were filled with "hoo-ahs" and cheers as CNN showed the city of Bagdad on fire as we bombed thousands of civilians into pieces? Do NOT ever forget that just because WE are American, that we too cannot die in battle, and the enemy will NOT cheer when we do.

Why should Muslims in Singapore, Indonesia, or Malaysia go over to the middle east and calm the radicals down? Why should they? Why don't YOU go over to that church in Kansas and calm them down....or go make a citizens arrest on some folks planning on blowing up an abortion clinic.

I get really tired of this:

We don't give a rats ass about our world, the people in it, or the land we live on.......uh-oh.....somebody just blew up our world trade center! Never mind the Aussies that died in Bali, the Spaniards that died in their trains, or the countless millions that are dying in Africa.....somebody had the balls to attack arrogant, pompous, self-rightous US!

Then we expect the entire world to join us in our mission of hatred against anybody that isn't a Christian (religion of evil, you're either with us or against us, God is on my side, etc).

The next time you hear or see one of your fellow comrades and soldiers cheering when a bomb or missle from the US hits it's target, and kills a few civilians, you REMEMBER how mad you are whenever you think of them people cheering when our WTC got hit. It makes you mad enough to want to kill them doesn't it?

They kill our civilians and cheer and you get mad.

We walk through a village and kill their civilians, and you call it "battle fatigue" and say something along the lines of "sh*t happens."

Get it?

This picture satirizes your leader, and it insults your religion. It causes community hysteria and riots. Pictures like this will continue to be published and distributed. Blame those who distribute the pictures for insult, but blame yourselves for death and destruction.

Your Islamic beliefs were created at a time when hand written scrolls were the state of the art. Today, communication is at the speed of light, and anyone can send a drawing around the world. Be prepared for continued insults, and be prepared for hysteria in your community. There is a solution to the insult, and the solution is your responsibility. The solution isn't censoring communication. The solution is education.

Islamic beliefs are interpreted by mullahs. Muslim individuals, largely illiterate and with no personal experience in scriptures, are taught according to mullahs' special interests. Your mullahs tell you about your god, and they tell you how you will relate to your god. Your mullahs tell you what will cause insult, and what will cause riot and killing.

Your Islamic beliefs should be examined for personal relevancy and spiritual value. Don't let special interests, concealed by your mullahs robes, control your religious life. In my opinion, the god of Islam is judgmental, unforgiving, and impersonal. Islam is a violent cult. A religion, true. But, controlled by an impersonal god of rebellion and deception.

On a purely personal level, I say to you who want to forgive, coddle and otherwise kiss up to the Islamic portion of our world. Get over it. They are wrong. And, you are a fool to give up any of your way of life for them.

I thought I'd punctuate my rant with this very good news.

US forces in IRAQ whacked the Islamic SOB Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi.

Any crocodile tears for him…..anyone?

Dadz,

I was following you along, and really appreciating what you said until the last part when you said this:

"I say to you who want to forgive, coddle and otherwise kiss up to the Islamic portion of our world. Get over it. They are wrong. And, you are a fool to give up any of your way of life for them."

Questions:

1. Did you mean the "radical Muslim portion" of our world, instead of "the Islamic portion" of our world?

2. What exactly do you mean by "forgive, coddle, and kiss up to the Islamic portion of our world? What exactly are people to forgive them for? For being Muslims? Are you classifying ALL of them as terrorists or what?

I'm just trying to follow you here.

If you are referring to the radicals that bring shame and hurt to the world, then I agree with you. If you are saying that 1.2 billion people are wrong, and that I should not "give up any of my way of life for them," then I can't deal with that.

I can live, work, play, have sex, marry, go to school, and eat with Muslims. I often do (in fact it's a daily routine). I will not assume that since I may or may not be a Christian, that I should not respect their religion, and offer them rights.

It's the arrogant classification of ALL Muslims as terrorists and killers that REALLY offends me. This is NO DIFFERENT than their arrogant classification of ALL Americans as murdering war-mongers!

Dadz,

The world is quiet HAPPY that this guy is finally dead. Why did you need to associate an Al-Qaida terrorist with a thread on Muslims and the respect of their faith?

This is my point. You are labeling 1.2 billion people as terrorists.

Do you suppose if the leader of that psycho church in Kansas that brings pain and sadness to military funerals were to die tomorrow, that it would be fair to say, "well, that leader in America that speaks for ALL Christians is dead....any crocodile tears for him?"

The world is a safer place with him gone.

Once these extremists get thinned out it will be even safer. Maybe one day through respect and understanding, along with mutual trust, we can all live in peace. I doubt it though. Both sides continue to breed even more hatred.

6 years ago if you were to ask me WHY they hate us, I would have a hard time answering you. Now all I have to do is copy and paste some of the things said on this forum and others like it to tell you.

opps. i thought it said the gentile religion.

adroomi

i am sick and tired of you mollycoddling every group.

when are you going to come out and hate some group so we can all defend them against you.

Rick,

I've seen too much hate. I don't want to see any more.

Adroomi, SLOW YOUR ROLL!

"We walk through a village and kill their civilians, and you call it "battle fatigue" and say something along the lines of "sh*t happens."

Get it?"

I have NEVER said that. If you read my posts, I have been saying that the investigation continues, and those responsible will be dealt with! I said I hat to sit in judgement of those who've walked where I haven't, but there are plenty of those who have walked there to sit in judgement.

" The next time you hear or see one of your fellow comrades and soldiers cheering when a bomb or missle from the US hits it's target, and kills a few civilians, you REMEMBER how mad you are whenever you think of them people cheering when our WTC got hit. It makes you mad enough to want to kill them doesn't it?"

The fundamental difference, the one you don't seem to get, is that the bomb hit IT'S TARGET killing a few civilians in the process. What was the target on 9/11? What military target existed in Manhatten? Those people weren't collateraldamage, they WERE the TARGET!

" Why don't YOU go over to that church in Kansas and calm them down....or go make a citizens arrest on some folks planning on blowing up an abortion clinic."

First, if they would listen to me, I WOULD go calm them down, as it is, there's not much else I can do BECAUSE THEY AREN'T HURTING ANYONE. They are offensive, they are a major nusiance, but the have rights under the First Amendment that would prevent me from doing anything more to stop them. If I got wind that they were planning on doing violence, believe me, I'd volunteer to "execute with extreme prejudice". Same with abortion clinic bombers. You know of any? I'll go stop them! But abortion clinics aren't being bombed in my neighborhood every day like bombs are going off in Baghdad (oh excuse me that's the Middle East) BALI! Yes, I think Bali, and the Spanish Railways, and the Tokyo subway system (I know that Shin Joryu (SP) was not Islamic, but they WERE terrorists) The people taken prisoner in the Philappines, and the ongoing terrorism in Indonesia. Granted the terrorism isn't as widespread in those places, that's why I stopped my hypothetical "parking lot" at Thailand!

YOU GET MAD? I've BEEN mad! I've been mad that we were attacked, and all some people seem to worry about is that we might offend somebody! I'm mad that the bastidges that want to kill us can't be reasoned with, have demonstrated the willingness to negotiate in bad faith, and yet there are those in OUR OWN COUNTRY who think we need to talk! Maybe, just MAYBE, we need top teach some of these bastidges that THEY ought to be VERY WORRIED about offending US for a damn change! I think Al Zarqawi just got THAT message!

CW,

When I say "you" I don't mean "you" as in CW personally. I'm saying it as a manner of speaking. It gets lost in the typing instead of the speaking that we should be doing...face to face.

Now....

"What was the target on 9/11? What military target existed in Manhatten?"

The military targets were our Financial Center, our Military Headquarters, and supposedly our Government Offices (white house/capitol). The only thing I would've taken out in addition to those three if I were planning that attack would've been our Media Outlets.

How do you cripple the enemy? You first take away his communication, then his logistics, then his morale.

Had the folks that attacked us on 9/11 wanted to inflict mass casualities upon civilians as you say, instead of trying to destroy simply our financial center, our military, and our government, they would've waited until Super Bowl Sunday and flew all four of those planes into a stadium full of 50,000 Americans.......most likely very few foreigners or Muslims at the superbowl......but a great many die-hard, apple pie loving, Americans enjoying a DISTINCTLY American tradition.....the Superbowl. Now THAT would've been an attack on OUR WAY OF LIFE as Dubya claims 9/11 was (instead of the pre-emptive, well-thought out, surgical strike as it really was).

We use F-15's with missle's because we have and can afford them. We take out political, financial, and government targets with them.....and unfortunately a few thousand civilians die.

The Japanese didn't have good weapons like we did, so they flew their planes into our boats as suicide bombers.

The Al-Qaida (or terrorists as we call them, since they have no country to call home) didn't have F-15's like us so they used the best missles they could find. Airplanes.

9/11 was horrible, and many good people lost loved ones, and many good people were lost. It sickens me. Don't be so arrogant though as to think that OUR people that WE lost are any better than the thousands of people that have lost loved ones because of our careless attacks on THEIR country.

The Japanese caught us off guard at Pearl Harbour, because we assumed nobody had the balls to DARE attack the USA. We forgot that lesson, and the Al-Qaida soon followed suit and caught us off guard again. In both cases, he who says we shouldn't have seen it coming is lying to himself.

We carefully call the people we are fighting "insurgents" and "terrorists." Ever wonder why we don't call them "soldiers" "rebels," or "militia?" It's because the words "insurgent" and "terrorist" cannot be freely associated with a recognizeable Army, country, or military force, and therefore we as citizens don't "feel" that we are in a war with an opposing force, but rather we are under constant attack by "individuals" that have no rights under the rules of war.

We paint them to be not the enemy, but rather cruel parasitic animals. It helps to keep the war machine going when the enemy is a nameless, faceless, devil.

We pay propaganda experts millions to help folks see it our way. Lately it's been slipping though.

"Hate will win if you let it."

Works for me.