So... if you guys are done stroking each other you can look at all the holes in his argument.

***standard preface - I think guns are fun and don't actually want to limit your right to own them - feel free to buy a tank for all I f'ing care***

A gun levels the playing ground between the weak and the strong, but it also turns the outcome of a conflict into primarily depending on who shoots first. If no one is armed, then a person doesn't constitute an immediate threat until they're within arms reach (or stick or knife), and even then the threat could be mitigated if you're physically fit. If a stranger is carrying a gun, in the open, they are a potential threat to me from across the room, or further (if they have a long-arm). I don't know who they are, and I have no reason to believe they aren't intending to use that weapon. Additionally, since guns are reasonably lethal devices, I know that if they choose to use this weapon, I will most likely die. Even if they don't kill me the first shot, they'll have plenty of time to shoot again.

If I'm carrying a gun as well, the ONLY way to make sure that my weapon can be used defensively is to make sure I shoot them before they shoot me. A gun does me absolutely no good if I'm laying on the ground bleeding out of a gut wound while it's still in its holster. I'm not a quick-draw... that means I need to have my gun out and pointing at any armed person before they pull their gun out and point it at me. That way I can simply pull the trigger while they're still unholstering their gun (keep in mind, anyone is going to pull out their gun if someone is pointing a weapon at them)....

So, in a situation where we're all walking around armed and I have to assume any of the sketchy looking people around me could be the next workplace/walmart/highscool shooter, I have to start shooting everyone before they shoot me.

Yeah... real civilized.

victor809 wrote:

Keep pounding other men in the Ass....and you will Surely die, no question about it. I'll take my chances on the law abiding citizen with a gun. You are one squirrelly ****. Fact IS....most thumpers would not even consider pulling their weapon out if they knew others around them are also armed, they're like yourself in that regard....just chicken ****.

TMCTLT wrote:

You simply CANNOT argue with this gentleman, he is Spot On in his assessment!!!!

TMCTLT wrote:

***standard preface - I think guns are fun and don't actually want to limit your right to own them - feel free to buy a tank for all I f'ing care***

victor809 wrote:

That's the exact reason why the 2nd Amendment stands. You SHOULD be able to own...legally...whatever your government has. That way if they get out of hand we the people (what a concept!) can overthrow them. The bigger gun stigma is a red herring. Lawyers have prostituted the original founding documents and judges have decided from the bench to rule the way they feel while our Presidents just rule by Executive Orders. It's all out of whack. We're overdue for a rebellion.

You might not like carrying a gun and letting a "sheriff" do the heavy lifting for you, but I don't. I'd rather everyone be open carry. Check that in at a bar, a concert or a courtroom. Out on the streets people wouldn't behave the way they do now if everyone was packing. Truth be told, I don't trust law enforcement. Now THEY have tanks too! Where's mine?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

The problem is with threat identification, plain and simple.
Again, I don't have a problem with you owning a tank. Hell, buy a nuke.

However, if I see someone I don't know walk into a public space with a weapon, how do I decide whether they're a threat or not? And I'm not talking a "threaten with a gun to get all your money" type of threat. We have a lot of angry, unintelligent people running around this country (like TCBY) who aren't actually looking to threaten anyone with a weapon, they are looking to pull it out and shoot someone.

If you're walking into a public space with a gun, how do I have any assurance you aren't doing so to shoot as many people as you can until the cops take you out? I don't have that assurance.

My options upon seeing an unstable hick with a gun strapped to his side are either 1 - shoot him first; or 2 - get behind a counter and then wait to shoot him first.

I find concealed-carry more appropriate. I feel like the psychopaths are less likely to bother trying to wear their guns inconspicuously when they're planning their "blaze of glory"/.

victor809 wrote:

The problem is with threat identification, plain and simple.
Again, I don't have a problem with you owning a tank. Hell, buy a nuke.

However, if I see someone I don't know walk into a public space with a weapon, how do I decide whether they're a threat or not? And I'm not talking a "threaten with a gun to get all your money" type of threat. We have a lot of angry, unintelligent people running around this country (like TCBY) who aren't actually looking to threaten anyone with a weapon, they are looking to pull it out and shoot someone.

If you're walking into a public space with a gun, how do I have any assurance you aren't doing so to shoot as many people as you can until the cops take you out? I don't have that assurance.

My options upon seeing an unstable hick with a gun strapped to his side are either 1 - shoot him first; or 2 - get behind a counter and then wait to shoot him first.

I find concealed-carry more appropriate. I feel like the psychopaths are less likely to bother trying to wear their guns inconspicuously when they're planning their "blaze of glory"/.

victor809 wrote:

Your such a toolbag, how in Gawds creation do YOU know that you can trust LE? I mean we've never seen " Bad Cops" have we? Your a puss in boots looking for someone else to " protect you" from perceived threats from folks who would NEVER do what you accuse them of. Your Folks have got to be SO proud 🤦

TMCTLT wrote:

Yeah... tell me the last completely random mass shooting performed by a law enforcement official in uniform.

You can not trust the police all you want. And you can have fantasies of me having gay sex all you want... I don't give a rats ass.

But I sure as hell wouldn't trust someone like you in public with loaded guns.

But feel free to have them in your home, doesn't endanger me or anyone I care about.

victor809 wrote:

Just like the OP's thought it becomes a great equalizer. A deterrent of escalation. Causes one to actually be aware of their environment and be responsible doesn't it?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

That's where I disagree with you DMV. Yes it becomes a great equalizer, but it doesn't become a deterrent of escalation. It would only be a deterrent of escalation if the individuals knew and had a vague trust that the other person isn't planning on killing them.

Let me put it this way, DMV... if you were standing in a 7-11 and a crack addict walked in with a gun holstered on his hip, would you feel safer?

victor809 wrote: