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12 years ago
AP | By LISA LEFF

Published June 30, 2014 05:33PM EDT


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way Monday for enforcement of a first-of-its-kind California law that bars psychological counseling aimed at turning gay minors straight.


The justices turned aside a legal challenge brought by supporters of so-called conversion or reparative therapy. Without comment, they let stand an August 2013 appeals court ruling that said the ban covered professional activities that are within the state's authority to regulate and doesn't violate the free speech rights of licensed counselors and patients seeking treatment.


The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year that California lawmakers properly showed that therapies designed to change sexual orientation for those under the age of 18 were outside the scientific mainstream and have been disavowed by most major medical groups as unproven and potentially dangerous.


"The Supreme Court has cement shut any possible opening to allow further psychological child abuse in California," state Sen. Ted Lieu, the law's sponsor, said Monday. "The Court's refusal to accept the appeal of extreme ideological therapists who practice the quackery of gay conversion therapy is a victory for child welfare, science and basic humane principles."


The law says professional therapists and counselors who use treatments designed to eliminate or reduce same-sex attractions in their patients would be engaging in unprofessional conduct and subject to discipline by state licensing boards. It does not cover the actions of pastors and lay counselors who are unlicensed but provide such therapy through church programs.


Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal aid group, had challenged the law, as did other supporters of the therapy. They argue that lawmakers have no scientific proof the therapy does harm.


"I am deeply saddened for the families we represent and for the thousands of children that our professional clients counsel," Liberty Counsel Chairman Mat Staver said in a statement. "The minors we represent do not want to act on same-sex attractions, nor do they want to engage in such behavior."


New Jersey last year became the second U.S. state to ban gay conversion therapy with children and teenagers, and Liberty Counsel also has been fighting that law, which took effect after it was signed by Gov. Chris Christie. The group's litigation counsel, Daniel Schmid, said Monday that the Supreme Court's refusal to consider a challenge to California's law, as opposed to issuing a ruling on the merits, has no bearing on Liberty Counsel's case in New Jersey, which is scheduled to be heard by the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 9.


"We hope to get a good ruling out of the 3rd, which will hopefully get us back up to the Supremes," he said.


California's law was supposed to take effect last year, but it has been on hold while a pair of lawsuits seeking to overturn it made their way to the Supreme Court.


Now that the high court has declined to take the case, the state will be able to start enforcing the law after the 9th Circuit lifts an injunction it put into place during the litigation, an action that is expected to come within days, according to Christopher Stoll, a senior staff attorney at the National Center for Lesbian Rights.


Another eight states and the District of Columbia have pending legislation modeled after the California and New Jersey laws, while lawmakers in five other states have refused to pass similar bans. Meanwhile, the Texas Republican Party this month endorsed reparative therapy, adopting policy language recognizing "the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle."
ZRX1200
12 years ago
If it helps WILLING participants what is the harm?
rfenst
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12 years ago

If it helps WILLING participants what is the harm?

ZRX1200 wrote:



It's only pertains to minors.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Ah.... more banning parental wishes. Got it.
TMCTLT
12 years ago

It's only pertains to minors.

rfenst wrote:




Perhaps because it's TOO difficult to teach Ole Dogs....new tricks.
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12 years ago

Perhaps because it's TOO difficult to teach Ole Dogs....new tricks.

TMCTLT wrote:



Perhaps it is because minors cannot give consent?
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Like I said......
victor809
12 years ago
Seems like it's similar to being able to charge Christian Scientist parents with neglect when they are withholding medical care from their minor children due to their personal religious beliefs.

Parental wishes don't extend to the point where they are deemed to be harmful to the child.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Because the state owns them.
teedubbya
12 years ago
We used yo be able to own people.
victor809
12 years ago

Because the state owns them.

ZRX1200 wrote:




Hey, I don't particularly care about children. If parents want to kill them off, that's totally acceptable to me. They aren't people until they're 18.

But lets be consistent. If we, as a country, keep yelling about "for the children!", and if we specifically legislate against parents beating their kids, locking them in basements, selling them as sex slaves etc etc etc... AND if we specifically have precedent where parents religious beliefs do not extend to the harm of their children... then this fits with the precedent.

If we can sell kids off as sex slaves, or sacrifice them to the god Xenu, then sure this law makes no sense.
teedubbya
12 years ago
But if the have caught the gay shouldn't we be able to provide the cure?
teedubbya
12 years ago
Isn't it abuse not to try to cure them from this hideous disease? If they caught Ebola or Islam wouldn't we be resulted go try to heal them?
victor809
12 years ago
I want to go back to the good old days of owning islamic gay sex slaves with ebola.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Vic you're really swell.

Yes beating, murder, locking in a basement and sex trafficking are SURELY common tennants of most religious beliefs.

Try again spanky it's been a rough day for you. Maybe you should get to sleep before 3.
teedubbya
12 years ago
If my kid catches the gay can I beat it out of them? How about starve if out of them. What if we call it a fast? What about light therapy with Debbie Boone songs?
victor809
12 years ago

Vic you're really swell.

Yes beating, murder, locking in a basement and sex trafficking are SURELY common tennants of most religious beliefs.

Try again spanky it's been a rough day for you. Maybe you should get to sleep before 3.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Read carefully Z. Two separate concepts. 1 was abuse, another was religion justifying actions.

ZRX1200
12 years ago
Teedubya the Mooselems do a 30 day fast and the left is afraid of challenging minority groups so yeah you'd be ok there. Just convert.
victor809
12 years ago

Teedubya the Mooselems do a 30 day fast and the left is afraid of challenging minority groups so yeah you'd be ok there. Just convert.

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Yeah... and how is ramadan in any way potentially harmful?

🙄
ZRX1200
12 years ago
It doesn't matter they're not Christians..... TW was talking about fasting . They're flying I said boy, they're flying right over your head today.

You shouldn't work so much your sleep schedule is really messing you up.
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