victor809
12 years ago
http://io9.com/in-kentucky-taxpayers-will-keep-a-new-noahs-ark-theme-1613979609 

This is an interesting thing... not sure where I stand on it.

On one hand, State money is being provided (through tax incentives) on a theme park supporting a very specific religious view.

Of course, the defense is that it is simply a private business/theme park providing tourist income and the State would be stupid not to support it or that income would go to a different state (assuming the estimated tourist dollars aren't a wild guess).

So those who support it, would you support a Muslim theme park receiving State money as well? (such as the one being built in Dubai, which introduces "the miracles of Qur'an through a variety of surprises for the visitors"...
jetblasted
12 years ago
I support Gil Fullbright for Kentucky Senate .... In God We Trust.
DrafterX
12 years ago



This is an interesting thing... not sure where I stand on it.

victor809 wrote:




well, as soon as you and TW figure that out let us know.... 😟
wheelrite
12 years ago
I despise Theme Parks.

I worked at Six Flags for two summers when I was a kid. If I never go to one ever again, I'll be happy...

So, tax, don't tax them, who cares...

wheel,
tailgater
12 years ago
A: State money isn't being "Provided".
The state will rebate the NEW tax dollars that otherwise wouldn't exist.

B: This isn't "religious" like a murderously marvelous muslim miracle museum in Dubai would be.
Sure, the group building it is God-fearing. But the STORY of Noah goes well beyond the pages of the Bible.
People who have never read the Bible know about Noah. Learning how an Ark would look and sound and smell will likely draw people away from that big ball of string and generate some cash flow for the owners and the state.



tailgater
12 years ago

I despise Theme Parks.

wheelrite wrote:




"You Must Be THIS Tall to ride"

DrafterX
12 years ago
🤔 ,
so, Noah would've had to load up a couple BigFoots too huh..... 🤔
jetblasted
12 years ago

"You Must Be THIS Tall to ride"

tailgater wrote:



That's the real reason wheel hates them. Just sayin'.
😟
victor809
12 years ago

A: State money isn't being "Provided".
The state will rebate the NEW tax dollars that otherwise wouldn't exist.

tailgater wrote:


I believe this is true (which is why I specifically stated in the form of tax incentives). They are not paying money to build the project, but are providing specific government support.


B: This isn't "religious" like a murderously marvelous muslim miracle museum in Dubai would be.
Sure, the group building it is God-fearing. But the STORY of Noah goes well beyond the pages of the Bible.
People who have never read the Bible know about Noah. Learning how an Ark would look and sound and smell will likely draw people away from that big ball of string and generate some cash flow for the owners and the state.


Here's where you're wrong. The story of Noah doesn't go beyond the pages of the bible. Noah is a story directly from the bible (and the quran, incidentally). Now if the theme park was interested in educating on the "great flood mythology" and included a couple other characters, whom noah was likely based on, that would be a different story. But no. This is, in the words of one of the founders, "to present the gospel to park-goers". They want to add a tower of babel as well (also a singularly biblical story).

Like I said, I don't know whether that's actually sufficient grounds to cry "separation of church and state", but I have suspicions that people would throw a fit if it were anything similar revolving around the quaran.
gryphonms
12 years ago
No, No, and NO! Based on the constitution this opens Pandora's box. Now Abdul the jihadist deserves the same tax incentives for his theme park. It will have 2 educational reenactments. An honor killing explaining that this is a time honored tradition. Also the Oklahoma city bombing expounding on the heroic actions of the bomber.

OK, the reality is this would not happen, but it could if that door is open. So as much as I think this has far more to do with a decision to improve Kentucky's economy which is a good thing I must say no.

Maryanne Zeleznik of NPR radio station WVXU reported that the park will proselytize Christian Evangelicalism to the park patrons. So I do not see how the park could be considered historical as opposed to religious in nature. This is where the constitutional door would be open for Abdul.
wheelrite
12 years ago

That's the real reason wheel hates them. Just sayin'.
😟

jetblasted wrote:




Well Played !!

=d>

wheel,
tailgater
12 years ago

I believe this is true (which is why I specifically stated in the form of tax incentives). They are not paying money to build the project, but are providing specific government support.

victor809 wrote:



You said "state money is being provided".
It is not.
Tax rebates on money not-yet-earned does not in any way "provide" state money.
It's an incentive and is used for all types of businesses all the time at the state and local levels.
It costs the state nothing, and in fact allows the state to MAKE money on the non-rebated tax dollars that otherwise wouldn't exist.


Here's where you're wrong. The story of Noah doesn't go beyond the pages of the bible. Noah is a story directly from the bible (and the quran, incidentally). Now if the theme park was interested in educating on the "great flood mythology" and included a couple other characters, whom noah was likely based on, that would be a different story. But no. This is, in the words of one of the founders, "to present the gospel to park-goers". They want to add a tower of babel as well (also a singularly biblical story).

Like I said, I don't know whether that's actually sufficient grounds to cry "separation of church and state", but I have suspicions that people would throw a fit if it were anything similar revolving around the quaran.

victor809 wrote:



The story of Noah goes WELL beyond the pages of the Bible.
I'm not saying it didn't originate there. Just that it has grown outside the confines of a strictly religious parable. There is a certain child-like fantasy story feel to it which has allowed it to grow on it's own.

So if you want outrage over a Muslim theme park paid for by tax dollars, you'll have to invent a better example that is more similar.
Buckwheat
12 years ago

I support Gil Fullbright for Kentucky Senate .... In God We Trust... and all others pay cash!

jetblasted wrote:



+1 and unlike you, I can actually vote for him.
dstieger
12 years ago
Tax incentives for Religious 'Anything'??????

Why in the flock should I be subsidizing the mosque down the street? Or the church? Or the synagogue? Or the temple?
victor809
12 years ago

You said "state money is being provided".
It is not.
Tax rebates on money not-yet-earned does not in any way "provide" state money.
It's an incentive and is used for all types of businesses all the time at the state and local levels.
It costs the state nothing, and in fact allows the state to MAKE money on the non-rebated tax dollars that otherwise wouldn't exist.

tailgater wrote:


When you're talking about a business this becomes a potato/potah-toe thing. I specified the method and it's exactly what you stated.


The story of Noah goes WELL beyond the pages of the Bible.
I'm not saying it didn't originate there. Just that it has grown outside the confines of a strictly religious parable. There is a certain child-like fantasy story feel to it which has allowed it to grow on it's own.

So if you want outrage over a Muslim theme park paid for by tax dollars, you'll have to invent a better example that is more similar.



No it hasn't. Seriously. The entire story requires the existence of god. There isn't a "noah" story where a random dude builds a big boat without a god telling him to, then gathers up all the animals in the world, waits until a non-god related flood and saves them all.

I'm not outraged. But the two are completely equivalent.
Abrignac
12 years ago

No, No, and NO! Based on the constitution this opens Pandora's box. Now Abdul the jihadist deserves the same tax incentives for his theme park. It will have 2 educational reenactments. An honor killing explaining that this is a time honored tradition. Also the Oklahoma city bombing expounding on the heroic actions of the bomber.

OK, the reality is this would not happen, but it could if that door is open. So as much as I think this has far more to do with a decision to improve Kentucky's economy which is a good thing I must say no.

Maryanne Zeleznik of NPR radio station WVXU reported that the park will proselytize Christian Evangelicalism to the park patrons. So I do not see how the park could be considered historical as opposed to religious in nature. This is where the constitutional door would be open for Abdul.

gryphonms wrote:



You aren't really that naive are you?
gryphonms
12 years ago
I did leave the door open that it could happen. As long as it is a theme park in Kentucky how about a Bourbon theme? Bet their attendance would be high as well as their customers.
teedubbya
12 years ago
I'd pay to go to a park with baby jesus bumper cars
dstieger
12 years ago
How about a Ganges River Log Ride - At the bottom you get dunked by a bald guy and then have to dodge cows
teedubbya
12 years ago

How about a Ganges River Log Ride - At the bottom you get dunked by a bald guy and then have to dodge cows

dstieger wrote:




Awsome. How about a haunted house type thing where you go in and it's completely dark. Then for a split second the lights flash on and there is a giant mural of muhammed.


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