Abrignac
11 years ago
Obama Tax Hike on College Savings Plans Breaks Middle Class Tax Pledge

Posted by Ryan Ellis, John Kartch on Tuesday, January 20th, 2015, 11:56 AM PERMALINK
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Tonight, in his State of the Union address, President Obama will propose a series of tax increases on the American people. One of these tax increases is indisputably an income tax hike on middle class families with children.

Under Obama’s plan, earnings in “Section 529” (named for its location in the Internal Revenue Code) college savings plans will face full income taxation upon withdrawal.

Under current law, earnings growth in 529 plans is tax-free if account distributions are used to pay for college tuition and fees. The Obama plan will tax earnings in these accounts even if they are used to pay for college tuition and fees.

These accounts are commonly used by middle class families. There are about 12 million 529 accounts open today, and they have an average account balance of approximately $21,000. Most 529 plans permit monthly contributions as low as $25 per month.

This middle class income tax increase is a clear violation of President Obama's “firm pledge” against “any form of tax increase” on any family making less than $250,000. This promise to the American people is documented below:

Speaking in Dover, New Hampshire on Sept. 12, 2008, candidate Obama said:

“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

During a nationally televised Vice-Presidential debate in St. Louis on Oct. 3, 2008, candidate Joe Biden said:

“No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama’s plan will see one single penny of their tax raised whether it’s their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax.”

In an address to a joint session of Congress on Feb. 24, 2009, President Obama restated the promise in forceful terms:

“If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”

"Rather than raise taxes on middle class families trying to save for their children’s education, Obama should abolish the seven tax increases in Obamacare that directly hit middle-income Americans,” said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.


https://www.atr.org/obama-tax-hike-college-savings-plans-breaks-middle-class-tax-pledge 
DrafterX
11 years ago
That Bassard..!! 😠
TMCTLT
11 years ago
ANYONE really surprised??? How else you gonna pay for two years of FREE community college......
Abrignac
11 years ago
It's free so it don't cost nobody nothing.
teedubbya
11 years ago
First two years of cc are free in mo for hs kids with proper grades and classes. Excellent program.
teedubbya
11 years ago
We also can have open container in the car as long as the driver isn't drinking.

The rest of the country is fucked up on that one.
Brewha
11 years ago
Good new on the proposed college funding. Bad news is the Republicans will kill themselves to block it. They think free education is bad and toll roads are good.

More sad still is that a lot of people buy the crap in the OP.
ZRX1200
11 years ago
herfidore
11 years ago
Edumacation is bad, mmkay. After all, we don't want "them" getting too smart now do we? 🌫 🤦
ZRX1200
11 years ago
Them? Who's them buddy?

Do I want my tax dollars incresed to pay for some kid to get a "free" degree in some useless field that they'll never get a real job in? No
Brewha
11 years ago

Free eh?

ZRX1200 wrote:


It used to bother me that I had to pay taxes to fund the local public schools - I didn't have kids, so they shouldn't tax me, right? But then it occurred to me that the "free" education I got from the public schools was paid for by someone. And that it is our duty to educate the young.

So "free" like the air? No.
More like "free" corporate welfare.
M1220
11 years ago
I know and see what your saying every day ZRX, my wife works with a lot of college kids here from UGA, and I am shocked at times of the "degree" they are going for, I knew there were some but not the number of useless degree's they offer, clearly it's to just get the numbers up in our colleges today. I listen to them talk almost everyday and the things they believe is astonishing, and these kids are going to be our future leaders........God help us.
Brewha
11 years ago

Them? Who's them buddy?

Do I want my tax dollars incresed to pay for some kid to get a "free" degree in some useless field that they'll never get a real job in? No

ZRX1200 wrote:


I do agree with your point.

But no worries. With Republicans in control of the House and Senate, they will be hunting for ways to pull more funding out of education. Cut school lunches and the like. After all, they believe that education should only be for those who can afford it.
Abrignac
11 years ago

Good new on the proposed college funding. Bad news is the Republicans will kill themselves to block it. They think free education is bad and toll roads are good.

More sad still is that a lot of people buy the crap in the OP.

Brewha wrote:



Please set the record straight for us. What is incorrect in regards to the op.
Brewha
11 years ago
The original post predicts what the president will say. Please post what he did say.
Abrignac
11 years ago

The original post predicts what the president will say. Please post what he did say.

Brewha wrote:



Why, when his lips are moving he's usually lying.

But, since you brought it up:

Obamas Pump Up College Savings
Parents Make Big Upfront '529' Investment for Their Daughters' Tuition
By
Jane J. Kim
Updated April 18, 2009 12:01 a.m. ET

Malia and Sasha Obama's college education appears to be taken care of in a massive contribution that the president and first lady made to a "529" college-savings plan in 2007.

But like everyone else, they have likely suffered big losses.

According to their 2008 tax returns, the Obamas took advantage of a unique feature of 529 plans that allows account owners to front-load five years' worth of contributions, $240,000 in total for the two girls. They did so without triggering gift taxes -- now levied on any gift exceeding $13,000 a year. Form 709, the federal gift-tax form, shows that Barack and Michelle Obama made equal contributions of $120,000 each, or $60,000 to each of the two children in 2007.

Senate disclosure forms released last year show that the contributions were made to Illinois's adviser-sold Bright Directions College Savings Program, in two age-based growth portfolios, which are designed to become more conservative the closer the child is to attending college. Assuming that the Obamas haven't changed their investments, one of those portfolios has lost roughly 35% in the past year through March, while the other one is down about 27%.

The filings offer a peek into how the Obamas are planning to pay for college for their daughters, Malia, now 10, and Sasha, seven. College tuition has soared in recent years, with average tuition and fees at private four-year colleges hitting $25,143 for the 2008-2009 academic year, according to the College Board. Meanwhile, average in-state tuition and fees at four-year public universities jumped to $6,585, up 6.4% from the previous year.

In recent years, tax-advantaged 529 plans have become a popular college-savings vehicle for many parents. In a 529 plan, savers put after-tax dollars into an account that typically offers a wide range of mutual funds.

Distributions and earnings are tax-free as long as they are used for higher education. Investors can invest in any plan, although they may get an additional state tax break if they invest in their own state's plan. The Illinois 529 plan, for example, offers a state-tax deduction for contributions.

A spokesman for the White House confirms that a payment was made in 2007 and that the payment, for reporting purposes, will be prorated over five years.

By front-loading five years' worth of contributions, the Obamas also are cutting possible future taxes on their estate since they have gotten $240,000 -- and any future appreciation on that amount -- out of their estate, says Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of taxation at the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, or AICPA.

To be sure, not every family has the means to sock away as much money into 529 plans. The five-year gift election is typically used by wealthy individuals or grandparents who want to help pay for college while reducing their taxable estates, says Joe Hurley, founder of Savingforcollege.com. "Most parents don't have that kind of money to put in all at once."

While the Obamas' investments are down with the bear market, there is a silver lining for investors in these plans. Investors who are underwater can liquidate the plan without penalties or taxes. Losses can be claimed as a miscellaneous itemized deduction, which can help reduce investors' taxes to the extent those deductions exceed 2% of their adjusted gross income, Mr. Hurley notes. Those who are in the alternative minimum tax, however, are out of luck since miscellaneous itemized deductions aren't usable under the AMT.

Abrignac
11 years ago
From:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/01/17/fact-sheet-simpler-fairer-tax-code-responsibly-invests-middle-class-fami 

Limit upside-down education savings incentives and consolidate them into a single benefit. The President’s plan would consolidate education savings incentives into one vehicle and redirect the savings into the better targeted AOTC. Specifically, the President’s plan will roll back expanded tax cuts for 529 education savings plans that were enacted in 2001 for new contributions, and – like Chairman Camp’s tax reform plan – repeal tax incentives going forward for the much smaller Coverdell education savings program.



From:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/20918/ 

According to the Investment Company Institute (the trade association for the mutual fund industry), there was $245 billion accumulated in 529 plans in 2014. With just south of 12 million accounts open, that means there’s an average balance of about $21,000 in these plans. This is not a mechanism for rich Democrats like the Kennedys or the Gates to shelter wealth.




So I guess we are to believe this is not another middle class tax increase? Kinda like if you like you health insurance you can keep it, or if like your doctor, you can keep him?
stogiefan
11 years ago

I know and see what your saying every day ZRX, my wife works with a lot of college kids here from UGA, and I am shocked at times of the "degree" they are going for, I knew there were some but not the number of useless degree's they offer, clearly it's to just get the numbers up in our colleges today. I listen to them talk almost everyday and the things they believe is astonishing, and these kids are going to be our future leaders........God help us.

M1220 wrote:



For many kids college is just a big scam. Yes there are legitimate fields where college is the best place to go to get a proper education and credentials. You want to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, engineer, scientist, etc absolutely go to college. However, there is no seperation in college between degrees for career advancement and degrees for personal fulfillment. The kids that graduate with what I would consider the personal fulfillment degrees have two options. One is go to work in field that requires no degree or continue their education and get a masters degree in something more relevant. Unfortunately most do not have the financial resources and/or the brains to consider option #2.

MACS
11 years ago
Honestly, I think we should scrap the whole damn IRS and go to a federal sales tax. Instead of loopholes for the rich to jump through, and pages upon pages of stuff the rest of us don't understand, we tax purchases.

Poor people do not buy a lot of stuff. They will pay much less. Rich people buy more stuff, and more expensive stuff... so they will pay more. This way EVERYONE will have to pay. Including the folks working under the table and illegally... they'll pay their taxes when they buy stuff.

It's fair, they'll generate more revenue, and folks who like to live thrifty will keep more of their own money.
Buckwheat
11 years ago

For many kids college is just a big scam. Yes there are legitimate fields where college is the best place to go to get a proper education and credentials. You want to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, engineer, scientist, etc absolutely go to college. However, there is no seperation in college between degrees for career advancement and degrees for personal fulfillment. The kids that graduate with what I would consider the personal fulfillment degrees have two options. One is go to work in field that requires no degree or continue their education and get a masters degree in something more relevant. Unfortunately most do not have the financial resources and/or the brains to consider option #2.

stogiefan wrote:



My wife graduated from a liberal arts school with a BA in English Literature and she currently makes more than me (BS in Electrical Engineering). Certainly not every case fits into such a nice box as "you got a BA in basket weaving so you won't be financially successful". 🌫

College is not for everyone. I think the secondary education system in this country is fundamentally flawed. There should be a better network of trade schools that give people marketable skills beyond a high school education.

If they push this Tax change through they are beyond stupid. [ram27bat]

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