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tailgater
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9 years ago

Typical liberal stance:
I don't agree with your viewpoint.
I will protest you.
And my protest will turn violent and shut you down.
Free speech wins again.

I say cut off their funding immediately until the school offers a solution to this behavior.
then they'll see how much "free" speech costs.

Friggin losers.

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victor809
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9 years ago

....
Your requesting government retribution to the protests...
I'm not sure you understand how free speech works...

dstieger
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9 years ago

"The university said fires were set, including one caused by a firebomb that ignited a generator-powered spotlight, and commercial-grade fireworks were thrown at police. NBC Bay Area showed a group of people grab a metal barricade and smash it against a door." - NBC

What has this got to do with free speech? I don't see how anyone could confuse clear riots and violence with free speech, Victor.

I'm pretty sure Tail was referring to the viewpoint expected from planned guest speaker.....rioting to prevent free speech.....that's a pretty big wtf

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

The protests are free speech. You can arrest the rioters without having to defund the University.

This isn't a difficult problem. Arrest people starting fires...

Tail's solution is to have the federal government (huh... thought you guys liked less government involvement) punish all students for a groups protests.

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

You don't think the school has any responsibility for the rioting? Preventing, nor stopping?

dstieger
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

Tail's solution is to have the federal government (huh... thought you guys liked less government involvement) punish all students for a groups protests.

victor809 wrote:

Or....by removing government involvement in funding the school, an argument could be made that there'd be less government involvement...everybody should be happy....I'm sure the anarchist students would be appalled to learn that federal funds allocated by the Trump administration might make their miserable lives possible....STOP the madness of federal involvement in our schools!!!!

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

pretty sure if someone was to get butt-raped at da school the school would get sued.. just the way it works.. 😟

bgz
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9 years ago

I would argue that you could cut their federal funding due to them not being able to control their students.

I mean, why send them money if all it's going to go for is fixing windows, cars and medical bills from rioters.

Protesting is one thing (all for protesting), but indiscriminately destroying things because they want to silence a scheduled speaker is another.

A lot of good science comes out of Berkeley, but their students' actions are appalling... They need to fix their s#17.

victor809
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9 years ago

You're assuming any of this is the students.. and not just a protest on the campus.

You're also assuming the school is supporting the rioting.

Arrest the rioters, who may or may not have any involvement in the school at all. Remember, bringing an inflammatory azz wipe like that Milo's guy will bring you protestors from the general population...

The only thing we know that is for a fact associated with the school is the speaker.

delta1
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9 years ago

#10

Setting fires and attacking others isn't free speech...non-violent protest is...there's something happening here...

The university is the basic fundamental free (not cost) and open marketplace of ideas, including those on the far right. The university has a responsibility to protect the guest speaker and those who want to hear him, once they invited him in. Security was not adequate in this case.
The cost of protecting some speakers could be enormous...so that's a consideration for who speaks on a college campus.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

MACS
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9 years ago

#11

dstieger wrote:

That's what I took from it, as well. They don't agree with what was going to be said by Milo Yiannopoulos, so they rioted violently to prevent it.

Edit: and apparently Victor is okay with it because he thinks Milo is an inflammatory ass wipe.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

victor809
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9 years ago

#12

... you missed the part where I said arrest the rioters...

Mithrandir
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9 years ago

#13

... you missed the part where I said arrest the rioters...

victor809 wrote:

V8, what are your thoughts why this is not happening?

Abrignac
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9 years ago

#14

victor809 wrote:

Not that easy.

The assholes that caused the damage aren't going to let uniformed police officers get near them. Like the cowards they are they will run when the police start approaching. Perhaps, law enforcement can fine a way to teach K9's to target specific people. It would be nice to catch a few and find out who is funding them.

Next best thing is to have the universities do a better job policing their own property. This way to do that is squeeze their funds. I don't have a problem with that because UC Berkley is exactly tolerant of speech by people right of center.

Abrignac
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9 years ago

#15

V8, what are your thoughts why this is not happening?

Mithrandir wrote:

See post 14. One possibility is to train a group of rapid deployment officers who can go into the crowd in plains clothes and catch a few. Such an idea is plausible, but would be very dangerous for the officers.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

victor809
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9 years ago

#16

I have no idea if it isnt.

I'm not second guessing the police and whether they chose to arrest anyone. I would expect they did. But if they didn't arrest them I'm assuming it was a tactical decision due to the size of the crowds.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#17

....
Your requesting government retribution to the protests...
I'm not sure you understand how free speech works...

victor809 wrote:

They can protest all they want if they're peaceful.
I know exactly how it works.
I would also charge them for the police/fire response teams.

They won't be able to afford their free speech when they act like thugs.

Abrignac
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9 years ago

#18

victor809 wrote:

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I believe there are a variety of reasons. Safety and politics would be 1 & 2 in that order.

victor809
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9 years ago

#19

My understanding of the situation is that there was a peaceful protest. According to the news about 150 individuals from outside the school came and started trashing crap.

That's neither a good reason to stop protesting or to stop funding a university. Even though those are the easy solutions.

Easy solutions are for the weak and lazy...

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#20

victor809 wrote:

With government funding come a responsibility to not break the laws.
Do we have to wait for one of the firebombs to kill someone before we act on it?
Cut funding and the school would emphasize how to properly protest.

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