Speyside
9 years ago
I think she is unprepared for this post.
elRopo
9 years ago
Yours or her's?
Speyside
9 years ago
LOL. Very good.
frankj1
9 years ago
ZRX1200
9 years ago
Yeah, because things have been ran so well....
frankj1
9 years ago
not a logical reason to give it to her...and who learned you English?
deadeyedick
9 years ago
Depends iffn' ya think vouchers are better than public screwools to educate our kids. Could be doable.
delta1
9 years ago
She seems to be a shill for charter schools, and cited erroneous data to try to show the success rates for the ones her family ran in Michigan when questioned by Congress. The charter schools In Michigan have a poor record, not much better than the public schools, despite cherry picking... Her written questionnaire to the Senate had numerous plagiarized statements. She's either lazy or an airhead. Hope she doesn't do too much damage and if she is both, she won't.


http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2017/01/18/betsy-devos-charter-schools/96718680/ 


Federal funding is about 10% of total revenues for most public schools: the states provide the rest. I'm ambivalent about the need for a federal education department, but not sure if there would be consistent and high quality public schools in every state without the fed. The department's goal is to "promote student achievement, ensure global competitiveness (educated labor pool, good for business), foster excellence, and equal access to education."

One troubling observation while being questioned by the Senate: DeVos emphasized "access and opportunity" for all children, leaving out "equal."
Abrignac
9 years ago

She seems to be a shill for charter schools, and cited erroneous data to try to show the success rates for the ones her family ran in Michigan when questioned by Congress. The charter schools In Michigan have a poor record, not much better than the public schools, despite cherry picking... Her written questionnaire to the Senate had numerous plagiarized statements. She's either lazy or an airhead. Hope she doesn't do too much damage and if she is both, she won't.


http://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2017/01/18/betsy-devos-charter-schools/96718680/ 


Federal funding is about 10% of total revenues for most public schools: the states provide the rest. I'm ambivalent about the need for a federal education department, but not sure if there would be consistent and high quality public schools in every state without the fed. The department's goal is to "promote student achievement, ensure global competitiveness (educated labor pool, good for business), foster excellence, and equal access to education."

One troubling observation while being questioned by the Senate: DeVos emphasized "access and opportunity" for all children, leaving out "equal."

delta1 wrote:



I don't totally disagree with you Al. But, public education is almost nonexistent. If anything, a voucher system will require public institutions to compete for educational dollars. This, I believe, will in turn force public schools to return to their core mission which is to educate. They have done poorly in this respect lately.

Thumper as you like to call Trump plans to force government to produces results. For the life of me, I can't understand what is wrong with that. It seems those on the left are more interested in taking shots at him instead of working with him to improve poor service.

“If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.” ― Eldridge Cleaver

frankj1
9 years ago
Massachusetts overall has good public schools, despite unfunded mandates like Bush's No Child Left Behind and requirements that have forced "teaching to the test".

Competing for educational dollars makes no sense when discussing publicly funded schools. But if schools outside of that definition want to compete for private money/tuition...more power to them, as long as they are subject to the same standards as the public schools. Currently they are not, even when it comes to requiring some standard that decides what constitutes a "qualified" teacher. No public money then as far as I am concerned.

If a family decides that private education suits them, go for it. Might mean get a second job though. Unfortunately, Al is correct about "cherry picking". Your kid may not get into a charter school if he/she might ruin their "stats", even though those schools are considered public. Oh, poor kids can attend, as long as they raise the averages.

The trick is to educate the rest of them.

And most folks forget that many of the tax dollars go to heating the schools, maintaining the buildings, etc. Simply transferring a dollar amount to a school with different regulations based on students lost does not cover the costs of maintaining buildings that does not go down due to less students!
gummy jones
9 years ago
my thoughts are 3 fold:

I think education is best run at the federal level as directed by massive campaign dollars from the teacher's union gestapo

I also think it is best if poor black kids have no options to escape the zoos that are "educating" them. I base this opinion on the fact that the public school in my white suburb seems to be doing a good job.

finally, I think states, local school boards and especially parents don't know what is best for their residents/students/children

[sarcasm off]
frankj1
9 years ago
where did you learn to think so well?

HA!
gummy jones
9 years ago
I have been good at thinking well for a dog's age
frankj1
9 years ago
thank a teacher?
Abrignac
9 years ago

Massachusetts overall has good public schools, despite unfunded mandates like Bush's No Child Left Behind and requirements that have forced "teaching to the test".

Competing for educational dollars makes no sense when discussing publicly funded schools. But if schools outside of that definition want to compete for private money/tuition...more power to them, as long as they are subject to the same standards as the public schools. Currently they are not, even when it comes to requiring some standard that decides what constitutes a "qualified" teacher. No public money then as far as I am concerned.

If a family decides that private education suits them, go for it. Might mean get a second job though. Unfortunately, Al is correct about "cherry picking". Your kid may not get into a charter school if he/she might ruin their "stats", even though those schools are considered public. Oh, poor kids can attend, as long as they raise the averages.

The trick is to educate the rest of them.

And most folks forget that many of the tax dollars go to heating the schools, maintaining the buildings, etc. Simply transferring a dollar amount to a school with different regulations based on students lost does not cover the costs of maintaining buildings that does not go down due to less students!

frankj1 wrote:



No Child Left Behind is ridiculous. As most here know, on my off duty days I worked as an SRO. It was truly sickening to watch asshole kids disrupt children who wanted to learn. There were no consequences. Schools couldn't expel them, instead they would get shuffled from one school to another leaving behind a trail of havoc.

One time I booked a 13 year old kid for robbery. This kid was completely out of control. He disrupted his class and many others because all he did was wonder from one class to another causing chaos. Anyway, one day he took a set of $5 earbuds out of another student's hands. Physically taking something from another person's possession is considered robbery. All robberies in LA are considered felony offenses regardless of the value of the item taken. Since he was a juvenile, I had the option of booking him into juvenile detention on the felony charge or releasing him to a custodian. His state appointed guardian told me that if I released him to her custody she was going to check him right back into school. Since I had an option, I booked him so the school could at least get what I thought would be a 3 day sabbatical. Instead of being released after a few days, he was sent back to north Louisiana to serve juvenile time since the robbery violated his probation in an earlier case.

Anyway, I'm not in favor of replacing public schools with private schools using vouchers. Nor am I in favor of allowing private schools to select which vouchers they accept. Create a list. Make the private schools select each student based on who is next on the list.

I highly favor public schools being forced to compete for those dollars because they will have to quit catering to the teacher unions. Instead I would like to see them start educating children again and being good custodians of public funds.

Its about accountability. Right now there is very little.
MACS
9 years ago
Teachers unions donate loads of money to democrats.

Is anyone shocked they hate her? I'm not. If our education system and teachers are so good, why are we ranked 17th? Why is it wrong to want to pay teachers based on results? It's like colleges having tenured professors. Once they get paid no matter WTF they do, what is their motivation to do well?

I haven't been paying attention to the uproar, tbh, but I know my son did extremely well in a CA charter school. He did equally well in public middle, and high school... but much of that is because my wife and I stressed education.
ZRX1200
9 years ago
Oh but MACS, the teachers unions top priorities are the kids and what's best for them and what the parents want.
qmech
9 years ago
My wife recruited for UMass Amherst. She tells me the overall impression of her colleagues was Boston public schools was poor
Q
qmech
9 years ago
were poor.... damn spell check.😁😂😂
Q
tonygraz
9 years ago
Job bought and paid for - most of the senate is for sale.
Users browsing this topic