DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:59:05 AM
Tragic accident and prayers for the missing sailors...but how could this happen..?? Was wondering if Navy ships are piloted in to port...:-k
jjanecka
Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:38:11 AM
Definitely not what the military needs right now.
teedubbya
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:01:25 PM
The great gitchiegoomie?
DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:04:17 PM
Prolly not a good name for a ship... 😟
teedubbya
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:04:41 PM
Poor Ed.
DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:05:16 PM
I heard Victor caught the gitchiegoomie... 😟
teedubbya
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:15:17 PM
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down

Of the big lake they called 'gitche gumee'

The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead

When the skies of November turn gloomy

With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more

Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty

That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed

When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side

Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin

As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most

With a crew and good captain well seasoned

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms

When they left fully loaded for Cleveland

And later that night when the ship's bell rang

Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind…

Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:44:53 PM

Was wondering if Navy ships are piloted in to port...:-k

DrafterX wrote:

Depends. But you wouldn't have a harbor pilot on board 56 Nm out. Typically they come aboard only a few miles out, if that. This was an costal water collision.

DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 3:04:39 PM
Wondered about that.. didn't have that info in the article I read...😟
Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, June 17, 2017 3:53:40 PM
Yeah, I can see how articles can be different. I read the BBC article.

And to clarify, 56Nm out is from the port of Yokosuka. They were a few Nm off the nearest shoreline, but that's just coastal operation water. It's not quite restricted and needing a pilot under normal circumstances, but it's heavily congested waters. These are big machines, everything happens in slow motion. Just to give you an idea, I've served on vessels the size of the container ship that hit the Fitzgerald, it would take us a few miles to make a Williamson turn at 10 kts. That's 30+ minutes to come back around on our own track to where we started the manuver. That long, that heavy, we don't stop fast, nor turn that quick. Would take us 3-4 Nm to just to come to an emergency dead stop from full ahead (and that's with the engines running full astern and shaking the ship to pieces the whole time).

DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 4:12:17 PM
So you guys hit the Fitzgerald too..?? 😕
MACS
Saturday, June 17, 2017 4:12:18 PM
^^And... because the larger vessels are slower and less maneuverable, they are almost always given right of way. In congested waters like that, they should have been talking to one another from miles away asking for heading and intentions.

"Hey, I see you're headed on (numerical compass point), we're headed (numerical compass point), which will cause us to intersect... what are your plans?" and stuff...

Thunder.Gerbil
Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:32:01 PM
Sécurité, sécurité, sécurité...

This was a miscommunication of colossal proportions.

A combatant has every advantage save one, they are faster, more maneuverable and better armed, but no modern combatant short of a carrier can survive a collision with a merchant.

It would be like you trying to take a punch to the face from Sonny Liston.

frankj1
Saturday, June 17, 2017 6:04:19 PM
that's stupid. Liston's been dead for years.
teedubbya
Saturday, June 17, 2017 6:18:44 PM
MACS told me frank looks like he was punched in the face by Sonny Liston
frankj1
Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:04:38 PM
he's a big fat liar...or you are.
MACS
Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:21:31 PM

that's stupid. Liston's been dead for years.

frankj1 wrote:

I was gonna ask, "in his prime, or now".

he's a big fat liar...or you are.

frankj1 wrote:

I'll let you decide which. I'm sure you'll choose correctly.

frankj1
Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:40:13 PM
tw is a big fat liar
DrafterX
Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:33:54 PM
😱
teedubbya
Saturday, June 17, 2017 9:43:32 PM
😱