Phil222
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8 years ago
"The Trump administration slapped a 30% tax on imported solar panels Monday in a move that critics say could slow down a fast-growing industry and kill tens of thousands of domestic manufacturing jobs."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/01/22/trumps-30-tariff-imported-solar-panels-may-cost-jobs/1056440001/ 

I guess he was serious about bringing back coal...
banderl
8 years ago

"The Trump administration slapped a 30% tax on imported solar panels Monday in a move that critics say could slow down a fast-growing industry and kill tens of thousands of domestic manufacturing jobs."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/01/22/trumps-30-tariff-imported-solar-panels-may-cost-jobs/1056440001/ 

I guess he was serious about bringing back coal...

Phil222 wrote:




That's beautiful clean coal.
frankj1
8 years ago
dozens of jobs waiting to be filled.
banderl
8 years ago
I try to do my part.


I pulled out my gas furnace and replaced it with a beautiful clean coal burner.
Phil222
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8 years ago
Ha! I forgot about the "clean-coal." This move is upsetting. We're gonna slow down progress and lose more jobs than we create in an effort to prop up dying industry. Am I missing something?
frankj1
8 years ago
I may not be the best guy to ask...just bought 90 feet of gorilla tape cuz needed a few inches to fix the back of my flip fone
Speyside
8 years ago
Tripods never need a few inches.
frankj1
8 years ago
Phil222
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8 years ago
If they decided to put tariffs on smartphones in an effort to bring back the flip-phone market, I could at least understand that because flip-phones were da-chit. My fave was the Razr.
bs_kwaj
8 years ago

The sky is falling...

Run for your lives!

heheh...

🍺
frankj1
8 years ago

If they decided to put tariffs on smartphones in an effort to bring back the flip-phone market, I could at least understand that because flip-phones were da-chit. My fave was the Razor.

Phil222 wrote:


Elitist!
victor809
8 years ago
Meh. To play the devils advocate on this ... the only way to get us involved in this "fast-growing industry" is to get manufacturing of the panels to occur here. That's where our companies would learn the necessary critical skills to manufacture panels and to develop the tech further. That won't happen if we are just buying the panels from China.

As for the jobs at risk... They're installation jobs. That's not a real competitive advantage and they won't really get lost.

This will raise the current price of going solar. Which sucks. But theoretically that increased cost will encourage US manufacture of panels. Which could be good.

(Note... I don't think this was necessarily thought out by the orange f--ktard... But just because he did some knee jerk action doesn't mean it was the wrong choice)
deadeyedick
8 years ago

Meh. To play the devils advocate on this ... the only way to get us involved in this "fast-growing industry" is to get manufacturing of the panels to occur here. That's where our companies would learn the necessary critical skills to manufacture panels and to develop the tech further. That won't happen if we are just buying the panels from China.

As for the jobs at risk... They're installation jobs. That's not a real competitive advantage and they won't really get lost.

This will raise the current price of going solar. Which sucks. But theoretically that increased cost will encourage US manufacture of panels. Which could be good.

(Note... I don't think this was necessarily thought out by the orange f--ktard... But just because he did some knee jerk action doesn't mean it was the wrong choice)

victor809 wrote:



Actually well thought out response. Unfortunately, no industry that is the least bit labor intensive is coming back to this country until water seeks it's own level around the globe with regards to labor prices. The best we can hope for is retaining and maintaining/increasing the tech portion and letting the dirty work be done where labor and laws make it most economical.
victor809
8 years ago
You're right. At least not in large levels. But I would hold out some hope that the tariff could push some speculative/small scale manufacturing of solar back into the states.

Either way, it isn't the worst tariff.

The washer & dryer one makes no sense other than punative....
Speyside
8 years ago
Solar will be minimally affected by this. Very few if any people or company's do solar due to economics. The payback is to long. They do it because of green policy, or politics, or environmental consciousness. There are also inherent problems with solar in snowy climates. Wind power, wave power, and geothermal powe are actually much more attractive from a payback viewpoint.
bgz
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8 years ago
I think if we manufactured solar panels here, the tech would get better and the panels themselves would be more efficient, but alas the free market is what it is and I agree with DED.

Probably not going to happen, as I think it'll still be cheaper to import them despite the 30% tariff as panels themselves are already relatively cheap.

I would like to see better tech though with solar panels, so I'm hoping that we do actually put some resources to at least engineering them to be more efficient. Maybe they can use a loophole to import the raw components then assemble them here to save cash.
Buckwheat
8 years ago
Incredibly short sighted and stupid. The tariffs are also on appliances. 🌫
Kawak
8 years ago

I think if we manufactured solar panels here, the tech would get better and the panels themselves would be more efficient, but alas the free market is what it is and I agree with DED.

Probably not going to happen, as I think it'll still be cheaper to import them despite the 30% tariff as panels themselves are already relatively cheap.

I would like to see better tech though with solar panels, so I'm hoping that we do actually put some resources to at least engineering them to be more efficient. Maybe they can use a loophole to import the raw components then assemble them here to save cash.

bgz wrote:



This wasn't a Trump thing. The final outcome was in substantial alignment with the remedies proposed in October by the U.S. International Trade Commission, and actually represent a less onerous outcome than what was requested by the case petitioners – Suniva and SolarWorld.

Solar modules are pretty much tapped out on efficiency. While some chipping away may occur over the next few years modules have limits. Most of this tariff was accounted for by companies already

30 percent tariffs on imported crystalline silicon solar cells and modules, declining 5 percent each year for the next four years. An exclusion for the first 2.5 gigawatts of cells each year

Per the GTM Research team, the decision equates to roughly a $.10-.12/watt cost adder and about an estimated 8 percent reduction in the total market in the near term, with growth again predicted to resume in 2019.
dstieger
8 years ago
IF US-made solar panels (and washing machines) are not competitive largely because of subsidized production by foreign governments, then I support tariffs as a mean to level the market. And I might support some subsidization of domestic production, if the US industry is so immature as to be non-competitive currently. But, as a way to jerry rig the market so that US can compete where it isn't naturally competitive, its an expensive battle in an likely unwinnable war.
deadeyedick
8 years ago

This wasn't a Trump thing. The final outcome was in substantial alignment with the remedies proposed in October by the U.S. International Trade Commission, and actually represent a less onerous outcome than what was requested by the case petitioners – Suniva and SolarWorld.

Solar modules are pretty much tapped out on efficiency. While some chipping away may occur over the next few years modules have limits. Most of this tariff was accounted for by companies already

30 percent tariffs on imported crystalline silicon solar cells and modules, declining 5 percent each year for the next four years. An exclusion for the first 2.5 gigawatts of cells each year

Per the GTM Research team, the decision equates to roughly a $.10-.12/watt cost adder and about an estimated 8 percent reduction in the total market in the near term, with growth again predicted to resume in 2019.

Kawak wrote:



Just like the gas engine was 100 years ago? While the way we manufacture solar panels from silicon may have picked the low hanging fruit we haven't even scratched the surface of harvesting energy from the sun.
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