So before the elections, Obama says the elections can't be rigged... and tells Trump to stop whining and work on getting votes.

He won. And we've had a year plus investigation on election rigging by the Russians.

=d> =d> AWESOME =d> =d> great job......"America's Elections cannot be rigged, so quit whining....."

PRICELESS

oy! another one who missed the topic.

Wag The Dog

Not sure what was missed? It is Ironic, right? What topic was missed? Isn't this a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander? Or do as I say, not what I do.....?

The topic as in what Trump and Obama were referring to back in 2016.

The specific quote from Obama was in relation to trump's claim of domestic voter fraud. Specifically his claim that in inner cities people would be bused in, or voting illegally in some way. The same bogus voter fraud/illegal voting that was pursued until it was dropped because nothing was found by the election commission trump put in place.

The current issue is about using social media to treat our nation the same way we treated third world banana republics with propaganda drops and manipulation of the public perception, by an outside force.

These are two different issues, with two very different likelihoods of occurrence. To pretend they are the same and the quotes are interchangeable is silly. It's even sillier to pretend that Obama's quotes are interchangeable, but somehow trump's aren't (ie, the same idiots pushing this particular agenda are neglecting the claims from trump this quote is in response to).

Isn't election fraud, or election meddling, election fraud/meddling no matter who is doing it?

If you want to think so, I suppose you can say that.

But if you accuse frank of stealing your cigars, and I say "that's extraordinarily unlikely, I've been sitting with frank all day"... I'm not in any way telling you that it's impossible MACS is in the process of pizzing in your humidor.

Ok, but if this voter fraud Obama is talking about could never happen, then why were Hilary, Jill Stein, and John Podesta demanding recounts in Wisconsin and several other states based on voter fraud......if this could never happen in an American election, why didn't they accept the loss and quit whining?

I may be wrong, but I'm not sure demanding a recount is because of fear of fraud. If there were voter fraud, then a recount would simply come up the same. I believe they were looking for errors, omissions, ballots which were not clear and were counted one direction or another.

If 20 people illegally voted 3 times each, you're gonna get those 60 votes no matter how many times you count it.

DETROIT (AP) — Michigan’s presidential recount expanded to several new counties on Tuesday, including its largest one that includes Detroit. Meanwhile, the fate of a statewide recount push in Pennsylvania must wait at least until Friday, when a federal judge has scheduled a hearing on it.

President-elect Donald Trump narrowly defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in both states and Wisconsin, which started its recount last week. The recounts requested by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein were not expected to change enough votes to overturn the result of the election.
Stein, who received about 1 percent of the vote in all three states, says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking.
Here’s what’s happening in each state and in Nevada, where a partial recount of the race was requested by independent presidential candidate Roque De La Fuente:
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WISCONSIN
Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state’s 72 counties having finished their recounts as of Tuesday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes.
Trump defeated Clinton in Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes.
A federal judge has scheduled a hearing for Friday in a lawsuit filed last week by a Trump voter and two super PACs seeking to stop the recount.
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MICHIGAN
A federal judge in Detroit ordered a statewide hand recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots that started in two of the state’s 83 counties on Monday. Six more started recounting Tuesday, including the largest, Wayne. Republicans appealed that ruling Monday.
A spokesman for Republican Secretary of State Ruth Johnson said it’s possible not all votes will be recounted in Wayne because of improper seals on ballot boxes and other issues. In such cases, the original vote would stand. Clinton won 67 percent of Wayne County’s vote.
Trump won the state by about 10,700 votes, or two-tenths of a percentage point, over Clinton.
Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette, the Trump campaign and super PACs have filed separate lawsuits asking state courts to prevent the recount, arguing that Stein, as the fourth-place finisher, is not “aggrieved” because she has no chance of winning in a recount. A hearing is scheduled Tuesday on those actions.

Also Tuesday, a Republican-controlled committee approved legislation that would require candidates who lose by more than 5 percentage points to pay 100 percent of the estimated recount cost. Those candidates now pay $125 per precinct, which is Stein’s case is nearly $1 million. Johnson has said the recount may cost $5 million. The bill would retroactively apply to Stein, though Democrats questioned the constitutionality of changing the rules “in the middle of the game.”
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PENNSYLVANIA
U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond in Philadelphia on Tuesday scheduled a hearing Friday on the request for a recount. The Republican Party and Trump warned that the case threatens Pennsylvania’s ability to certify its election before the Dec. 13 federal deadline. Stein’s team hasn’t produced evidence of hacking, but calls Pennsylvania’s election system “a national disgrace.”
The latest count by state election officials showed Trump’s lead at 47,750 over Clinton, out of 6 million votes cast, as more counties finished counting overseas ballots and settled provisional ballot challenges. That is still shy of Pennsylvania’s 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount. Final counts are outstanding in some counties, but there are not enough uncounted votes to change the outcome, officials say.

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NEVADA
A partial recount is underway in Nevada at the request of De La Fuente, who finished last with a fraction of 1 percent of the vote. He paid about $14,000 for the recount to provide what he called a counterbalance to the recounts sought by Stein. Most of the 92 precincts being re-counted are in the Las Vegas area, with eight of the precincts in four other counties. If the sample shows a discrepancy of at least 1 percent for De La Fuente or Clinton, a full recount will be launched in all 17 Nevada counties. Clinton defeated Trump in Nevada by 27,202 votes, out of 1.1 million votes cast. Nevada Secretary of State spokeswoman Gail Anderson said the recount will be finished by the end of this week.

And lets not forget that Russia is not a threat.

What I want to know is this:

The Russians meddled in our election.
By using social media.

I've been told by the liberals that this swayed the election to Trump.

Question:
How many of you liberals voted for Trump because of the fake social media?
And if not you, specifically, then who?

How can spending a few thousand dollars tilt an election where hundreds of millions are spent?

So far I haven’t seen or heard anyone of merit saying the outcome was changed as a result but there may be some. I discount them. Comey probably had more to do with effecting the undecideds. A very small number of them really swung things.

I’m with MACS though. I do find it ironic that while trump kept saying the election was rigged (it was not) he and his campaign may have been trying to do just that.

Often you can tell who someone is by what they fear others are doing. It was on his mind.

Although maybe irony is the wrong word if it’s intentional.

Oh and tail the last indictment indicates millions not thousands of dollars and many of the messages from Russia showed up in cigarbid. It was pretty efficient and still has drafter convinced of the "facts".

Just in case you miss the one I already posted about this frank...You seem to be missing it...

Lefty's never see the irony or hypocrisy in anything they say even when blatant

Three weeks before the election no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections. Three weeks later Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the entire American Drive-By Media did a 180 and started doing just that and ignored what their revered leader had said three weeks prior. Obama’s right here, by the way. Impossible to change the outcome of an election like they did

some people only read and see what they want to

I like irony

What Obama was really saying, "Democrats know how to get things done on election day, wink wink"

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I don't. I get my shirts done at the dry cleaner.

Interesting. so they were doing a recount because they believed the electronic counts had been hacked.
Well, I'm not gonna tell jill stein what to think. I doubt obama can either.

I don't know what the likelihood of the machines being hacked is. Last I'd looked into it, the machines were apparently not networked, and I think had no external data ports.

But, that doesn't mean someone with a little time alone with them couldn't access internal data ports and upload a small program. Alternatively, as long ago as the Bush election there was rumors that the machine manufacturer was in bed with bush Jr and that the machines were rigged right off the factory floor. I don't necessarily believe that, but to claim that dems were saying the voting process was impossible to rig up to 2016 is simply false.

And again, to reiterate, Obama's quote was in response to these statements
"Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive"
"Voter fraud is all too common, and then they criticize us for saying that,"
"But take a look at Philadelphia, what’s been going on, take a look at Chicago, take a look at St. Louis. Take a look at some of these cities, where you see things happening that are horrendous"

Trump wanted to fight this by having "monitors" at polling places. That's not going to have any impact on either social media manipulation, or machines being infected with a virus to cause count issues. He's specifically citing the common republican trope of "democrats busing in people from outside to vote" or "illegal immigrants voting for democrats" or "democrats voting two or three times". It's hilariously small-time crap, which honestly is likely not happening in any scale (the main times it's been proven is with republicans, ironically enough) and would take an enormous scale to impact an election, to an extent that the organization would be prohibitively complicated.

Easier to get access to one machine.