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banderl
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8 years ago

Get some tickets for this year's Wimbledon tourney.
Only the best.

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delta1
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8 years ago

To be fair, Obama did make the mistake of appointing this turd as Under Secretary of the VA in 2015...then Trump promoted him to the top spot...

banderl
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8 years ago

To be fair, Obama did make the mistake of appointing this turd as Under Secretary of the VA in 2015...then Trump promoted him to the top spot...

delta1 wrote:

Then he saw what all of the other thieves were getting away with and lost his moral compass.

delta1
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8 years ago

yah...people do have a tendency to adopt the standards set by the leader/boss...

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rfenst
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8 years ago

Yeah.

Burner02
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8 years ago

yah...people do have a tendency to adopt the standards set by the leader/boss...

delta1 wrote:

Bet you thought the same thing when Obama's advance Secret Service team had the whore fest in Columbia in 2012.

I know that I did.

banderl
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8 years ago

Bet you thought the same thing when Obama's advance Secret Service team had the whore fest in Columbia in 2012.

I know that I did.

Burner02 wrote:

Whore fest?

Wrong President.

Burner02
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8 years ago

Whore fest?

Wrong President.

banderl wrote:

Billie Boy?

banderl
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8 years ago

Those were amateurs, the orange imbecile likes the professionals.

Also didn't realize that Clinton was President in 2012.

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Burner02
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8 years ago

#10

Also didn't realize that Clinton was President in 2012.

banderl wrote:

Never said he was. Just responded to your question and comment.

FYI, Trump wasn't president in 2012 either.

And by the way, you would never have posted this thread if you had known Shulkin was one of Obama's.

Now, back to your chit slinging.

banderl
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8 years ago

#11

Burner02 wrote:

You brought up 2012 and whores, never heard anything about Obama and a whore problem.
Although I'm sure that you with your super dooper security clearance has the inside scoop.
Please, spill the beans.

Of course I new that he was in Obama's admin.
This just proves that good people will sink to the level of those around and above them.

Burner02
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8 years ago

#12

banderl wrote:

Do you ever take your head out of your azzz?

Besides, my initial comment was directed to Delta and I guessing he understands what was said.

delta1
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8 years ago

#13

I gotcha, Burner...my take on the Secret Service scandals during the Obama administration, and there were many, was a lack of dedication to protecting the President...

all the drinking and carousing on foreign soil was an extreme departure from the SS's reputation throughout it's history...why did they become party animals all of a sudden...Obama was not a partyer, drinker or carouser...

and most importantly, Obama did not select, nominate, nor appoint any of those disgraceful sworn servicemen...

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delta1
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8 years ago

#14

As for Shulkin, I've had a change of heart...it seems that many vets and veteran's associations supported him...he had a great reputation at the VA when Trump nominated him for the top job...he was confirmed by the Senate 100-0, unanimous, a rarity for any Trump nominee...

The allegations of Shulkin's family's traveling on the public dime and accepting "gifts" while abroad were over-blown and exaggerated by opponents appointed by Trump to the VA Commission...these commissioners are supported by the Kochs, who have advocated privatizing the VA...

The Trump appointees appeared to have an agenda to accelerate the privatization of the VA, which was at odds with Shulkin's agenda to do limited privatization, only where they could improve efficiency and effectiveness of the organization, like where there are long wait times, waiting lists for service, long distances to nearest VA facility, etc. The Koch appointees advocate total privatization, which our vets oppose.

Does anybody think for profit medical care for our vets will result in lower costs and better care? Make the case...

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Burner02
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8 years ago

#15

delta1 wrote:

So, #4 only applies to Trump and not to anyone on the left?

Burner02
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8 years ago

#16

delta1 wrote:

Saw some info this past week that indicated that the wait times have not improved during the past year and that there is evidence that the numbers were fudged to show some improvement when there was none. If this is true and add on the public dime paying for some of his personnel expenses, then he should be shown the door. Don't care who he was appointed by or his political lean.

As far as the VA goes, I probably would not use unless it was my only option. Being a retiree I'm covered by Tri-Care and can go pretty much where ever I chose. Most non-retiree's don't have that option. From where I sit there is no excuse for a 30 day wait for initial visits. Maybe for specialty in some cases but not initial visits. I don't have the answer to the extent that privatization should take place but we should give it a try. The present system is bogged down in bureaucracy and is not working. At worse it is no better but on the other hand it may just improve service times and I guarantee it will improve quality of care.

When I left active duty I did the routine VA screening to determine overall health. During the process I was seen by three different Dr's and I could not clearly understand any of the three. All tech's and others I could understand but not the Dr's. Had to wait a couple of months for the printed report to see what the hell was going on. From my stand point I would not consider this quality care if I can't understand what they are saying.

Current golfing buddy of mine has been using nearest VA for several years. He is a Vietnam era vet and he kept asking his VA Dr about a PSA test. Dr kept telling him he did not believe in the PSA it was not needed. Buddy started having some problems and decided to get a second opinion. New Dr ordered PSA and results came back 40.0. For any of you not in the know, anything over 4.5 is considered high. Luckily the cancer had not spread and the prognoses seems to be good.

These situations may not seem that big a deal but they are not that uncommon. So, from my stand point I can't help but think privatization will help, especially the quality of care.

Abrignac
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8 years ago

#17

I’ve got no problem privatizing VA healthcare. I’ve never heard of any govt run business that operates efficiently.

delta1
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8 years ago

#18

So, #4 only applies to Trump and not to anyone on the left?

Burner02 wrote:

no...it is valid for most organizations: some prominent examples are - Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Dem; NJ Gov Chris Christie.........and especially true here in local SoCal politics, where many Democratic controlled local city governments have been found to be self-serving and using tax-payer money for personal gain...

delta1
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8 years ago

#19

My nephew is an ER doctor. He now works for the VA hospital in Long Beach and he says the quality of care there is comparable to the private hospital, White Memorial, where he worked before. But he doesn't have as heavy a load now...

My wife's uncle, a WWII vet, had all his medical needs done at the LB VA hospital and he swore by them. Lived to 90 years old.

But one of my officers was an Irag War vet, and he came home after three tours, diagnosed with PTSD. He despised the VA, said their mental health care sucked, wait times were too long...

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