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Speyside
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8 years ago

Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.
Benjamin Franklin

We have all one common cause; let it, therefore, be our only contest, who shall most contribute to the security of the liberties of America.
John Hancock

The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty.
James Madison

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
George Washington

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.
Samuel Adams

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
John Adams

There is a certain enthusiasm in liberty that makes human nature rise above itself in acts of bravery and heroism.
Alexander Hamilton

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry

Seems to me many have forgotten that freedom/liberty must be protected no matter what the cost. Our founding fathers intentions were very clear. Thought a little reminder of their thoughts was appropriate.

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Gene363
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8 years ago

Exactly.

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Mrs. dpnewell
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8 years ago

But, but, they where all a bunch of old white men, which makes their statements hateful, irrelevant, sexist, racist and homophobic. Just ask your typical prog.

[sarcasm]

David (dpnewell)

HuckFinn
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8 years ago

Great post Speyside
Great insights.

Hard to reconcile what's acceptable today with what our founding fathers warned us about.

dstieger
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8 years ago

We could save soooo much money doing away with laws.... regulations and, while we're at it the entire judicial system

Every quote is outstanding when we apply it to those people pure of heart and attuned to our own values and goals....as to the rest of the population...wgaf, I guess

Hey....I'm probably 85% libertarian....but even I can see/acknowledge that there's a portion of the population, that IMO can't handle freedom and liberty very well...maybe a large portion....so, turn those cool quotes into actionable ideas for today, please

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Gene363
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8 years ago

dstieger wrote:

If they visited the US today and saw how intrusive the Federal Government has become they might be asking what happened to The Second Amendment.

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HuckFinn
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8 years ago

If they visited the US today and saw how intrusive the Federal Government has become they might be asking what happened to The Second Amendment.

Gene363 wrote:

More likely they'd be troubled by how deadly modern weapons are.

tailgater
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8 years ago

More likely they'd be troubled by how deadly modern weapons are.

HuckFinn wrote:

If they were to walk today and visit America 2018, I doubt that weaponry would be a top 10 item that offended them.

Abrignac
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8 years ago

More likely they'd be troubled by how deadly modern weapons are.

HuckFinn wrote:

You mean the propensity of people to kill their fellow citizens?

Huck, you're made it clear that you support control legislation. But, you haven't offered any proof that such legislation would accomplish what you wish it to accomplish. What would you say to compel anyone to change their belief's and support your position?

rfenst
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8 years ago

#10

If they were to walk today and visit America 2018, I doubt that weaponry would be a top 10 item that offended them.

tailgater wrote:

True, true.

teedubbya
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8 years ago

#11

If Bruce Jenner can keep his d[i]ck and be considered a woman, I can keep my guns and be considered disarmed - Patrick Henry

Abrignac
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8 years ago

#12

If Bruce Jenner can keep his d[i]ck and be considered a woman, I can keep my guns and be considered disarmed - Patrick Henry

teedubbya wrote:

All in favor say aye, opposed say no. The vote is 10-1. The dicks win.

victor809
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8 years ago

#13

Anthony... that's disingenuous.
Again... I don't support any legislation against gun ownership by anyone. But to claim that there is no proof that legislation will reduce fun violence is simply not correct. We have laws in place currently which many seem to like. I'm gonna bet you like restrictions against felons owning guns... I'm gonna bet you like restrictions against your average citizen owning surface to air missiles...

People like to pretend there is no possible way legislation could have an impact... but the reality is that it does. The question should be ... do we really care. I dont... that's why I don't support the legislation. But I don't lie to myself and say it wouldn't do anything...

victor809
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8 years ago

#14

Speyside
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8 years ago

#15

It strikes me that our freedom/ liberty and our constitution are under attack from all sides. In 2016 2,712,630 people died in the USA. There were about 11,000 gun related homicides in the USA in 2016. Do we really need to take away our rights for this?

Phil222
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8 years ago

#16

In 2016 2,712,630 people died in the USA.

Speyside wrote:

"All manner of things kill white people, but you know what kills more black people...more than anything, more than police and terrorism? Salt...regular azz table salt...." -Dave Chappelle

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frankj1
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8 years ago

#17

not a religious guy, but I'm praying Kosher salt is not blamed.

DrafterX
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8 years ago

#18

🙏

MACS
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8 years ago

#19

If Bruce Jenner can keep his d[i]ck and be considered a woman, I can keep my guns and be considered disarmed - Patrick Henry

teedubbya wrote:

Okay, that was frickin funny!!

Abrignac
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8 years ago

#20

victor809 wrote:

If legislation was put forth that I though would actually have an overall meaningful net effect I would support it. Having had plenty of hands on experience with the subject matter I know that none of the so-called common sense legislation being proposed will have any measurable effect on gun related deaths.

There are more than 300,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US. As long as those firearms are dispersed amongst the population, anyone determined to commit gun violence will have the means. I’m able to back that statement up with the knowledge that a vast majority of gun deaths are attributable to stolen firearms.

With that said, I find it disengenous that someone who say that those proposals are nothing more than another road on the route to complete disarmament.

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