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Speyside
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7 years ago

This is from FOX.

Migrants traveling to US sue Trump, government; claim violation of constitutional rights.

A dozen migrants traveling by foot from
Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.

The Fifth Amendment states that, "no person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

There is more to the article but this is the gist of it.

This is an attempt at forcing an open border. What due process is being denied by stopping illegal aliens at our border. There is a legal process they can follow to enter our country.

Who started and is paying for this lawsuit?

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Speyside
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7 years ago

Z, I know you posted this in another thread, but I thought it was important enough to repeat with some detail.

Gene363
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7 years ago

We need the SCOTUS to decide The Constitution is for US citizens, it does not include an umbrella that covers non citizens, in particular non citizen, wannabe illegal immigrants that are not even on US soil.

No immigrants filed a law suit, some US hating lawyer found some illegal immigrant wannabes and filed the lawsuit.

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Krazeehorse
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7 years ago

Innovative. They are getting on the teat before they even come in. I assume they aren't paying their own legal fees.

frankj1
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7 years ago

Gene363 wrote:

you sure you want the folks who decided that corporations are people with rights on this case too?

SteveS
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7 years ago

... Migrants traveling to US sue Trump, government; claim violation of constitutional rights.

Speyside wrote:

they cannot sue ... they have no standing ... so, your question about who's paying should also ask who's filing this suit and who stands to benefit ...

Buckwheat
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7 years ago

I found this interesting tidbit on a constitutional law forum:

"All people while in the USA regardless of citizenship enjoy the same rights and protections under the US Constitution that a citizen does save the right to vote and varying 2nd Amendment rights based on immigration status and individual circumstances.

A non-citizen has the same right to due process, protections against unlawful search and seizure, right to trial by jury, right to free speech and so that a US citizen or permanent resident enjoys. There may be specific regulatory restrictions that may limit or restrict some of these rights compared to US citizens (i.e. ability to donate to political campaigns) but these are not removal of the rights as a whole."

I believe some of you belong to the The Native American Party (i.e. Know Nothing Party). 🌫

tailgater
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7 years ago

Buckwheat wrote:

This is once again too vague.

Non-citizens can be here legally.

A person here legally should be afforded the basic rights that citizens have.

But if someone is here illegally, that right should be denied while simultaneously tossing them over the proverbial wall without a net.

Maim enough of them and the rest will take the hint.

DrafterX
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7 years ago

Ram has a bat... [ram27bat]

Speyside
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7 years ago

#10

I think a point is being missed here. People outside of the United States are sueing our government over rights they would have if they were standing on United States soil. They ate sueing for their right to due process. What due process? They are not in the United States.

They have no inherent right to illegally walk across our border. If they tried to immigrant legally they would receive due process. I have been laughing at people here expressing open border concerns. My bad, this appears to be a legal attempt to force open borders. Perhaps I am wrong, but someone is paying for this. I don't think it will get anywhere, but perhaps the intent is to make Republicans look bad. Shame on whoever is doing this.

deadeyedick
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7 years ago

#11

There are literally scores of organizations in the US who advocate in efforts for illegals to gain whatever rights and privileges they can glean from the US legal system. They clog our courts with this kind of suit. Most are denied but it costs millions each year and ties up our immigration courts.

If you lived in one of our southern border states you would see this all the time. Many law firms specialize in this exclusively.

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Gene363
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7 years ago

#12

you sure you want the folks who decided that corporations are people with rights on this case too?

frankj1 wrote:

Good point, but anything short of a Constitutional Amendment will end up there anyway.

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frankj1
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7 years ago

#13

Good point, but anything short of a Constitutional Amendment will end up there anyway.

Gene363 wrote:

for sure.

tailgater
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7 years ago

#14

Fock all this.

Time to do the only thing that will work: a virtual wall.

No more aid to people here illegally. I mean zero. They want shelter? Put them in jail until we toss them into the ocean.
Make it a felony to hire an illegal. Tack on a $20,000 fine. How many small business owners would risk it?
Keep the illegals out of our schools. Our hospitals.

And when we make the laws to apply equally to all illegals, including those already here for decades, then which group will be the most opposed to the newcomers in that caravan?

Time for Uncle Sam to stop being the migrant sugar daddy.

Get in line.
Apply for entry.
Follow the rules.
Or be denied for LIFE.

SteveS
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7 years ago

#15

Fock all this.
Time for Uncle Sam to stop being the migrant sugar daddy.

tailgater wrote:

well, yeah ... makes too much sense ... hard to make that happen when the presumptive new (old) Speaker of the House has publically stated that she's willing to go to the border and personally welcome them with open arms ...

and she's not alone ... there're any number of libtard goofballs that kiss the asses of illegal aliens ... including the mayor of Oakland who counts illegals as part of her constituency ...

ZRX1200
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7 years ago

#16

Open Society spread a lot of butter on Democrat bread.

Speyside
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7 years ago

#17

Tail, the fine is a good idea, but I would go farther than that. Massive fines such as Asphlund recieved, 96 million, and federal jail time. This would stop the game, in my opinion, and is all within the law.

frankj1
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7 years ago

#18

tail wrote: Make it a felony to hire an illegal. Tack on a $20,000 fine. How many small business owners would risk it?

asylum is asylum, but job opportunities are the bigger draw. I say go even stronger...and it isn't just small business.
at the risk of damaging our friendship, I agree with Joe.

HA!

DrafterX
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7 years ago

#19

What if you hire an illegal to just do some concrete work around da house..?? 😕

frankj1
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7 years ago

#20

What if you hire an illegal to just do some concrete work around da house..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

I thought we discussed this...he's a volunteer and you decide to tip him for his help.

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