Sadness. May they rest in peace.

Just read article.

Matt Wennerstorm (20?something) is a hero...
He grabbed 5? People and pushed them under a pool table....WOOD AND SLATE saved their lives...

When the shooter ran out of ammo and was changing his magazine, Matt got up and threw barstools through the window , then he proceeded to help 25-35 people escape thru that broken window....

I call that quick positive reactions...he deserves a medal.

+1,000,000

Another incel? We gotta start slaughtering these losers...

La Times:
1120PM, guy walked in and started shooting
1122, first cops arrive -
1126, first cops enter, get shot, one dies
'about 15 minutes later' more cops enter (after shooting over)

Total tragedy.....Wennerstorm sounds like a true hero...as are those first two cops. The cop killed was Sheriff’s Sgt. Ron Helus....,a 29-year veteran of the department, who was planning to retire next year,

Terribly sad. I'm interested to know what was going on with the police from 1126 to 1140-something....clearly there's an ocean of details still not in the news, but seems a long gap after the initial fast response time

Ian Long, 28, highly decorated ex-marine, mass murderer...

Its being said that some who survived the bar shooting were also survivors of the las Vegas shooting...

Jesus......

Probably should have bought a lottery ticket instead. [sarcasm]

I don’t think it’s any secret that we have entered an age where one must be ever vigilant of one’s surroundings. Unfortunately, the shooter was in violation of gun laws so I seriously doubt the inevitable call for more legislation will do anything to make anyone safer. But, we’ll hear the calls nonetheless.

I actually think events like this are making it harder and harder to pin the problem on firearms... Minds are fragile and breaking one is easier now than ever...

I hate that we are becoming inured to this.

I think an important question that has to be answered by society before anything changes is why shouldn't someone like Ian Long do something like this, if that's indeed what Ian Long wants to do?

It might be ok?

Maybe you could rephrase your question... I might be confused

Tell me why it isn't... Better yet, pretend like you could talk to Ian Long right before he started shooting and explain to him why he shouldn't...

Not sure I can track with you....I don't think I'd try to reason with Long.....Can't really get my mind around why such a conversation should be necessary -- I am good with what I think is conventional thinking that killing for other than a couple specific reasons, such as self-defense, soldiering, and maybe execution of convicted death penalty crime criminals...that killing outside those limitations is simply wrong and someone that doesn't agree isn't compatible with society and could/should probably be treated immediately and/or locked up.

Not sure that 'killing isn't a good idea' needs to be explained....there are certain norms that pretty much need to be accepted without question to live with other people....I think that's one of them....I try not to be the one to answer a question with a question, but I'd be willing to turn it around and have you, or Long or someone else explain why it'd be ok

So killing is wrong because you said so? Because society says so? Because why?

God said it was bad... 😟

Or was it the singing bush... 🤔

I think you're confusing 2 movies... The latter much better than the former... But I never was a Charlton Heston fan...