Abrignac
7 years ago
Avenatti indicted and also perhaps Marc Gerogos

Or

The fact that the Meuller led investigation couldn’t find proof that anyone on the Trump team colluded with the Russkies to throw the election.
Speyside
7 years ago
Anthony, you need to read Barrs summary, the following is a direct quote from it. The Special Counsels report states that " While this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it does not exonerate him ".
delta1
7 years ago
no proof of collusion between Trump's campaign and Russians in election meddling is better...

unfortunately, for those on the left, his chances for re-election got a big bump by that conclusion...

Avenatti and Geragos are just attention seeking sideshows...
delta1
7 years ago
Spey, I don't think anyone on the right cares a bit about the part where Trump is not exonerated...their "reasoning" is that the obstruction allegations were tangential to an investigation that proved nothing and didn't result in indictments...

my take...this reminds me of OJ being acquitted because the prosecution couldn't find evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, despite a lot of incriminating stuff...like it or not, Mueller's was a criminal investigation, and that is the standard, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for a criminal indictment...

Trump still faces serious charges in other criminal investigations...SDNY, campaign finance, inauguration financial fraud, Trump's finances, etc...and related Congressional investigations...all the "investigations" into Hillary before the 2016 elections hurt her chances....

there is a possibility that sympathy for Trump being "persecuted" might build among independents...as happened with Hillary's hubby
bgz
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7 years ago


there is a possibility that sympathy for Trump being "persecuted" might build among independents...as happened with Hillary's hubby

delta1 wrote:



My only problem with Big Willy was that he was the f***ing Pres! ... and

he coulda been hammering prime grade A tail, yet there he was feeding the blow fish.
tailgater
7 years ago
First:


... the Meuller led investigation couldn’t find proof that anyone on the Trump team colluded with the Russkies to throw the election.

Abrignac wrote:



Then:

Anthony, you need to read Barrs summary, the following is a direct quote from it. The Special Counsels report states that " While this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it does not exonerate him ".

Speyside wrote:




You're right: someone needs to read Barrs summary. But it ain't Anthony.


Or maybe you did read it, but chose to blur the facts?

I'll let you explain yourself.



Krazeehorse
7 years ago
So do we still have that innocent until proven guilty thing? Also, is it significant that the Russian interference happened on Barry's watch?
Speyside
7 years ago
Al, I think Mueller punted. What does that statement mean? The first part seems definitive. But the second part is contradictory.
Speyside
7 years ago
Tail, I read the 4 page summary, it appears that you didn't read the one quoted sentence I pointed out. The one statement I quoted is a complete contradiction, not a vindication. Read that sentence. I was not taking a pot shot at Anthony, I was pointing out something. Neither am I saying Trump has been proven guilty of anything. I think Mueller punted. I thought his job was to prove or disprove a narrow scope of questions. Did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians? In the report summary the answer is a definitive no. Did Trump obstruct the Russian investigation. That one sentence is a non answer. Mueller was supposed to provide an answer.
Speyside
7 years ago
Oh, as Tim said in the other thread, time to move on.
Gene363
7 years ago

Avenatti indicted and also perhaps Marc Gerogos

Or

The fact that the Meuller led investigation couldn’t find proof that anyone on the Trump team colluded with the Russkies to throw the election.

Abrignac wrote:



Smells like karma. 👍
teedubbya
7 years ago
Avenatti is scum.
RMAN4443
7 years ago
definition of exonerate

exonerate
verb [ T ] uk ​ /ɪɡˈzɒn.ə.reɪt/ us ​ /ɪɡˈzɑː.nɚ.eɪt/ formal

to show or state that someone or something is not guilty of something:
The report exonerated the crew from all responsibility for the collision.
Synonyms
clear
exculpate formal
Opposite
convict
Compare
acquit
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Innocent
acquit acquittal be above/beyond reproach idiom be in the clear idiom beat beat the rap idiom clear come up/out smelling of roses idiom culpable exculpate guiltless guilty innocence reproach responsibility responsible sinless smell squeaky-clean


How can you exonerate someone not charged with a crime, who didn't commit the crime, and is not guilty of a crime?...:-k
MACS
7 years ago

First:

Then:

You're right: someone needs to read Barrs summary. But it ain't Anthony.

Or maybe you did read it, but chose to blur the facts?

I'll let you explain yourself.

tailgater wrote:



My sentiments exactly.

There was no collusion. That was definitive.

Now are we going to investigate Hillary, the DNC, and the fake dossier they paid for? Are we going to investigate the perjury committed when it was used to obtain FISA warrants to illegally investigate the "collusion" in the first place? All the indictments brought about by Mueller were process crimes that never should have occurred because the investigation was a farce to begin with.

Why would Trump try to obstruct an investigation into a crime he KNEW he didn't commit?
MACS
7 years ago
Weren't the democrats saying that the conservatives had to accept the results of the Mueller investigation?

And now that it doesn't go in their favor... it's a cover up.
Abrignac
7 years ago

Spey, I don't think anyone on the right cares a bit about the part where Trump is not exonerated...their "reasoning" is that the obstruction allegations were tangential to an investigation that proved nothing and didn't result in indictments...

my take...this reminds me of OJ being acquitted because the prosecution couldn't find evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, despite a lot of incriminating stuff...like it or not, Mueller's was a criminal investigation, and that is the standard, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for a criminal indictment...

Trump still faces serious charges in other criminal investigations...SDNY, campaign finance, inauguration financial fraud, Trump's finances, etc...and related Congressional investigations...all the "investigations" into Hillary before the 2016 elections hurt her chances....

there is a possibility that sympathy for Trump being "persecuted" might build among independents...as happened with Hillary's hubby

delta1 wrote:




This was a much larger investigation than the OJ investigation. On the other hand, most Libs will believe he was guilty regardless of the evidence or lack thereof.
teedubbya
7 years ago

This was a much larger investigation than the OJ investigation. On the other hand, most Libs will believe he was guilty regardless of the evidence or lack thereof.

Abrignac wrote:




Let’s be honest.... vice versa as well. It’s a game that’s odd to see folks playing.
delta1
7 years ago

Weren't the democrats saying that the conservatives had to accept the results of the Mueller investigation?

And now that it doesn't go in their favor... it's a cover up.

MACS wrote:



I don't believe there's been a cover-up. Mueller did a thorough job, but I'd like to read his report for myself. No offense to Barr's summarization skills, but wouldn't you rather have a rib-eye than my description of one?
tailgater
7 years ago

Tail, I read the 4 page summary, it appears that you didn't read the one quoted sentence I pointed out. The one statement I quoted is a complete contradiction, not a vindication. Read that sentence. I was not taking a pot shot at Anthony, I was pointing out something. Neither am I saying Trump has been proven guilty of anything. I think Mueller punted. I thought his job was to prove or disprove a narrow scope of questions. Did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians? In the report summary the answer is a definitive no. Did Trump obstruct the Russian investigation. That one sentence is a non answer. Mueller was supposed to provide an answer.

Speyside wrote:




Anthony was talking about collusion.

To reply the way you did is misleading and/or disingenuous.



tailgater
7 years ago

I don't believe there's been a cover-up. Mueller did a thorough job, but I'd like to read his report for myself. No offense to Barr's summarization skills, but wouldn't you rather have a rib-eye than my description of one?

delta1 wrote:




You CAN be quite seductive when you want to be.

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