I mean, are you disputing that the letter exists?
Are you disputing that our press secretary has more DUIs than press conferences?
Or are you disputing that information from that lunch leaked out prior to the SOTU?

Just whining about the media source doesn't put you on strong footing opel.

victor809 wrote:

I’d be much more concerned with actual DUI convictions instead of arrests. I thought in American one is innocent until proven guilty. Regardless, how does it hamper her ability to do her job. To say such is an attempt at character assignation instead of debating her actual job performance.

Victor, I do consider you a friend, but I also lose a certain amount of respect for you when you use arrest reports to disparage someone without saying whether they were found innocent, guilty or if the charges were dismissed before trial. You’re better than that.

Abrignac wrote:

I’d be much more concerned with actual DUI convictions instead of arrests. I thought in American one is innocent until proven guilty. Regardless, how does it hamper her ability to do her job. To say such is an attempt at character assignation instead of debating her actual job performance.

Victor, I do consider you a friend, but I also lose a certain amount of respect for you when you use arrest reports to disparage someone without saying whether they were found innocent, guilty or if the charges were dismissed before trial. You’re better than that.

Abrignac wrote:

Not to point out the obvious, but if you're white and have an arrest record, odds are you were up to some sh#t, even if there wasn't a conviction.

But, to make you feel better, she has one DUI conviction (this is still more than the number of Press Conferences she has to her name). The other was "dropped as part of a plea agreement".. which means she was f$cking drunk.

More interesting, she didn't get her 2013 DUI dropped until she pleaded guilty to her 2015 DUI. So that was 2 years of somehow not facing that charge... and not being tried, until she screwed up again.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stephanie-grisham-dui/ 

What's True
Grisham was arrested on suspicion of DUI in 2013 and 2015. She pleaded guilty to DUI in the 2015 case and was convicted.

What's False
Grisham was not convicted of DUI in the 2013 case. As part of a plea agreement, that charge was dropped.

victor809 wrote:

My mistake. The 2013 case was NOT dropped because she plead guilty to the 2015 case. The 2013 DUI was dropped because she plead guilty to Reckless driving. She was driving with a suspended license (from a 2012 traffic citation) and had a BAC from blood tests of 0.105%, which is above the 0.08% DUI level. But the DUI was dropped.

victor809 wrote:

Once again, how has this affected her ability to do her job?

Hell, Ted Kennedy was a drunk who somehow was never arrested for DUI, but his wife was.

Abrignac wrote:

I never said it affected her ability to do her job.

I said my favorite description of her was ""Press Secretary" Stephanie Grisham, who still has more DUI arrests than press conferences to her name".

Now that description of her may imply she isn't doing her job. Since she's a Press Secretary who has still not done a single press conference..... but I never said her multiple instances of driving drunk impacted the job of press secretary.

victor809 wrote:

So you were attacking someone’s character? IIRC you have repeatedly stated your disdain for Trump for doing exactly what you are doing.

Got it.

Pot meet kettle.

Abrignac wrote:

I believe I was questioning the amount of work the "Press secretary" has done by comparing their number of press conferences to a small number. Say her DUI arrests.

I suppose I could have said "Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham, who still has more legs than press conferences to her name"

But everyone has two legs. Not a lot of press secretaries have 2 DUI arrests. So this makes it more personal.

victor809 wrote:

I’m not sure was is worse, her two DUI arrests or a person who uses that to belittle a person for whatever reason.

Abrignac wrote:

My how cbid has changed.

victor809 wrote:

Which no doubt is what her supervisor has specified.

Abrignac wrote: