Speyside
6 years ago
First Washington. Yesterday Grant, Keye, and st someone. Nothing like destroing statues of hero's and icons to gain support for your cause. It was my cause too. Now it isn't.
tailgater
6 years ago
My opinion hasn't changed.
They're a bunch of thugs, punks and cowards.

Not a popular opinion, and too many snowflakes take it the wrong way.

But, there it is.

DrafterX
6 years ago
But the statues were keeping the black man down... 😟
BuckyB93
6 years ago
What if a statue of MKL was vandalized? It would cause riots in the streets and guy would be drawn and quartered on live CNN.
rfenst
6 years ago

What if a statue of MKL was vandalized? It would cause riots in the streets and guy would be drawn and quartered on live CNN.

BuckyB93 wrote:


I think we should be removing and guarding certain statues and paintings for protection at this time. Statue and painting hackers, no matter the subject of the statue or painting needs to stop. They do have a historical place in our society.
BuckyB93
6 years ago
Agree

I didn't think about the historical significance, historical landmark, national treasure, historical preservation... perspective. Whether you agree with what it stands for, many things still have a right to exist and we have a responsibility to protect it.

Think about some of the collections of artwork in museums and stuff. Many people find certain pieces and artists reprehensible but that doesn't mean they should be eradicated from existence or banned from viewing.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

Agree

I didn't think about the historical significance, historical landmark, national treasure, historical preservation... perspective. Whether you agree with what it stands for, many things still have a right to exist and we have a responsibility to protect it.

Think about some of the collections of artwork in museums and stuff. Many people find certain pieces and artists reprehensible but that doesn't mean they should be eradicated from existence or banned from viewing.

BuckyB93 wrote:



There's a reason why the nations of Poland and Germany refuse to tear down the Nazi death camps Auschwitz and Dachau. Its so the living can go and see with their own eyes that which evil men are capable of doing. Once removed there are no reminders and Man is free to replicate the horrible lessons once learned with lives and blood.

Notice the hypocrisy the armchair quarterback groups the DNC employs and the statues they're tearing down? All remembrances of their own hateful ideology or those that toppled it. They want to deny their own past legacy. This is them removing their blight that they installed after their ways didn't and shouldn't work.
Speyside
6 years ago
I think the confederate statues should either be placed in museums, Or history markers should accurately depict the evil these men did. And yes Doc, never forget. I've been to Triblinka, and Sobibor. That I will NEVER forget.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

I think the confederate statues should either be placed in museums, Or history markers should accurately depict the evil these men did. And yes Doc, never forget. I've been to Triblinka, and Sobibor. That I will NEVER forget.

Speyside wrote:




I toured Dachau several times while stationed in Germany.

Haunting it the only word I can come up with. So close to Munich, they had to know what was going on.
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
^ Excellent truth there Dr.
Out of that horror the nation of Israel was reborn. Selah.
Reminiscent of ISIS we saw recently destroying buddha statues for personal culture history reminder sake under the guise of religious zealotry you cannot compare ISIS tearing down historical Buddha monuments with the effort to remove monuments to the confederacy, but really there is no way to ignore the similar motives.

ISIS was offended by the monuments and by the history they represent. Just like the people who want to remove the Confederate monuments.
most Confederate statues were erected in early 1900s during the Jim Crow era. That’s when the Democratic Party controlled South Carolina. The same party that tried to block civil rights legislation, that had a governor blocking doorways so blacks could not be educated with whites, the party of Robert Byrd, a KKK member
So maybe since the dems put em up and they're statues of dems the dems can tear em down. then the March of the morons will be sated upon the desecration of Arlington, Antietam and Gettysburg
I bet Trump gets 20% of the black vote, breaking the back of the Democrat plantation when we all get off government handouts or burn your dollars if you're gonna burn George's statue wrapped in an American flag.
Rage against the divide and have it in derision. )
But there's a better way
... I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
I raise my Fuente Fuente OpusX in anticipation of the palm branch
Speyside
6 years ago
Haunting is a good description, yet it is lacking in a way. How to you describe the emotion felt? Or the sense of tragic senseless loss?
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

^ Excellent truth there Dr.
Out of that horror the nation of Israel was reborn. Selah.
Reminiscent of ISIS we saw recently destroying buddha statues for personal culture history reminder sake under the guise of religious zealotry you cannot compare ISIS tearing down historical Buddha monuments with the effort to remove monuments to the confederacy, but really there is no way to ignore the similar motives.

ISIS was offended by the monuments and by the history they represent. Just like the people who want to remove the Confederate monuments.
most Confederate statues were erected in early 1900s during the Jim Crow era. That’s when the Democratic Party controlled South Carolina. The same party that tried to block civil rights legislation, that had a governor blocking doorways so blacks could not be educated with whites, the party of Robert Byrd, a KKK member
So maybe since the dems put em up and they're statues of dems the dems can tear em down. then the March of the morons will be sated upon the desecration of Arlington, Antietam and Gettysburg
I bet Trump gets 20% of the black vote, breaking the back of the Democrat plantation when we all get off government handouts or burn your dollars if you're gonna burn George's statue wrapped in an American flag.
Rage against the divide and have it in derision. )
But there's a better way
... I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
I raise my Fuente Fuente OpusX in anticipation of the palm branch

Dg west deptford wrote:




Thank you.

Your post meant a lot today.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

Haunting is a good description, yet it is lacking in a way. How to you describe the emotion felt? Or the sense of tragic senseless loss?

Speyside wrote:




I wept each time.

To be honest you walked by displays that would rip through you. The suitcases, the shoes, the clothes. They had pictures of during full operation and upon liberation. You can find them online if you search hard enough. Made it to Auschwitz only once on a 3day pass. The place still smelled of burning hair and charred wood.

It scarred my soul.

I wasn't even there and had no hand in it. Yet, there it is...as it was. Do the tour and when you go to the showers, you're mortified. I can only imagine the welcome of taking a shower (warm or cold) and to be gassed in that helplessness by Zyklon-B.

It hardened me to what I am now.
Mcdanielsamuel
6 years ago
I can only imagine. Went to the Holocaust museum in DC I junior high. I would think it would be 100x harder to visit.
Speyside
6 years ago
MDS, it was hard to continue each step. Same type of stuff where I was Doc. I cried both times till I couldn't cry any more.
BuckyB93
6 years ago


...burn your dollars if you're gonna burn George's statue wrapped in an American flag.

Dg west deptford wrote:



Whoa, whoa, whoa... back the truck up there.

Don't be burning it. Send me the currency that depicts these wretched individuals. I accept both coins and paper of all denominations.
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
^ Dr you have blessed me, and not just for today . Not to yell👍 but THANK YOU
MACS
6 years ago
My cousin said something that kind of stuck with me. Not sure if he got it somewhere else, or what, but it hits the nail on the head:

History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. If it offends you, even better, because then you are less likely to repeat it. It is not yours to erase, it belongs to ALL of us.
Dg west deptford
6 years ago
Remove not the ancient landmarks which thy Fathers have set
frankj1
6 years ago
or, don't erect monuments to treasonous doers of evil but do record their feats of horror in tomes so all future generations shall know the depths of their depravity.
Never glorify them.
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