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5 years ago
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ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Georgia have started a criminal investigation into former President Donald J. Trump’s attempts to overturn Georgia’s election results, including a phone call he made to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in which Mr. Trump pressured him to “find” enough votes to help him reverse his loss.

On Wednesday, Fani T. Willis, the recently elected Democratic prosecutor in Fulton County, sent a letter to numerous officials in state government, including Mr. Raffensperger, requesting that they preserve documents related to “an investigation into attempts to influence” the state’s 2020 presidential election.
While the letter does not mention Mr. Trump by name, it is related to his efforts to change the outcome of Georgia’s election, according to a state official with knowledge of the matter. A copy of the letter was obtained by The New York Times.

Of particular note in Ms. Willis’s letter was the wider scope of the investigation. Potential violations of state law include “the solicitation of election fraud, the making of false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office and any involvement in violence or threats related to the election’s administration,” the letter states.

The state official said that, in addition to the call to Mr. Raffensperger, Ms. Willis’s inquiry would encompass Mr. Trump’s outreach to other Georgia officials in an attempt to reverse his loss. These include a call to a top elections investigator in which Mr. Trump asked the official to “find the fraud”; a call in which Mr. Trump urged Gov. Brian Kemp to call a special session of the legislature to review the election results; and a conversation with the attorney general of Georgia, Chris Carr, in which Mr. Trump warned him not to interfere in a Texas lawsuit seeking to overturn the results in Georgia and other states.

The investigation will also look into the events surrounding the abrupt resignation in January of Atlanta’s federal prosecutor, Byung J. Pak, after Mr. Trump complained to Justice Department officials that Mr. Pak was not pursuing his claims of election fraud, the official said.

In the letter, Ms. Willis said that her office would request subpoenas “as necessary” when the next Fulton County grand jury convenes in March. In addition to Mr. Raffensperger, the letter was sent to Mr. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and Mr. Carr, all of whom are Republicans.

“At this stage, we have no reason to believe that any Georgia official is a target of this investigation,” Ms. Willis wrote.

The investigation goes beyond Mr. Trump himself, and could touch on the conduct of his aides and allies. A spokesman for the district attorney’s office said that Mr. Duncan, the lieutenant governor, received one of the letters because he presides over the State Senate. In December, Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, appeared before the Senate and advanced false claims that the election was stolen.

The inquiry comes as Mr. Trump faces a second impeachment trial in Washington this week, for his role in stirring up the mob that attacked the Capitol on Jan 6. The violence that day followed weeks of false claims by the former president that election fraud deprived him of victory, including in Georgia, where he lost by about 12,000 votes. Mr. Trump’s hourlong call to Mr. Raffensperger on Jan. 2 is cited by the House in its article of impeachment.

Jason Miller, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump, said in a statement on Wednesday that “the timing here is not accidental given today’s impeachment trial. This is simply the Democrats’ latest attempt to score political points by continuing their witch hunt against President Trump, and everybody sees through it.”

The inquiry makes Georgia the second state after New York where Mr. Trump faces a criminal investigation. And it comes in a jurisdiction where potential jurors are unlikely to be hospitable to the former president; Fulton County, the state’s most populous county, encompasses most of Atlanta and overwhelmingly supported Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the November election.

Ms. Willis has been weighing for several weeks whether to open an inquiry, after Mr. Trump’s Jan. 2 phone call to Mr. Raffensperger alarmed election experts who called it an extraordinary intervention into a state’s electoral process. For two months after Mr. Biden was declared the winner, Mr. Trump relentlessly attacked state officials in Georgia, including Mr. Raffensperger and Mr. Kemp, claiming they were not doing enough to uncover instances of voting fraud that might change the outcome.

Former prosecutors had previously said Mr. Trump’s calls might run afoul of at least three state laws. One is criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, which can be either a felony or a misdemeanor; as a felony, it is punishable by at least a year in prison. There is also a related conspiracy charge, which can be prosecuted either as a misdemeanor or a felony. A third law, a misdemeanor offense, bars “intentional interference” with another person’s “performance of election duties.”

It is unclear what actions might have violated state racketeering law. Clark D. Cunningham, a law professor at Georgia State University, said that Georgia, like many other states, has a statute similar to the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO. Like the federal statute, the state law is meant to target organized criminal enterprises and prohibit patterns of crimes that seek to further those enterprises’ illegal aim.

Mr. Cunningham said this could include trying to change the election results in Georgia. He also noted that the Georgia statute specifically covers false statements and writings made to state officials.

In one of her best-known cases as an assistant district attorney, Ms. Willis in 2014 accused a number of Atlanta public school teachers and administrators of violating the state RICO statute when they took part in a standardized test cheating scandal.

In the Wednesday letter, Ms. Willis also argues that her office was the one agency in Georgia with jurisdiction that was not hobbled by a conflict of interest, because it was not a “witness to the conduct’’ that is being investigated. She notes that unnamed “subjects of the investigation” had made contact with the secretary of state, the attorney general and the
The letter did not go into detail about the contact that was made. But Mr. Trump’s acting deputy attorney general, Richard Donoghue, relayed to Mr. Pak, the former U.S. attorney for the Atlanta area, that Mr. Trump was dissatisfied with his efforts to investigate the president’s claims of election fraud. Mr. Donoghue did so in a phone call shortly before Jan. 4, the day Mr. Pak resigned.

Ms. Willis’s office also suggested that the inquiry would look at the actions of others who might have sought to undermine the election results. Jeff DiSantis, a spokesman for Ms. Willis, noted Mr. Duncan’s role in presiding over the State Senate, saying that the Senate “may have evidence of efforts to interfere with the proper administration of the election.”
Anyone who participated in those efforts, he said, “is potentially a subject of this investigation, and that would include a variety of people.”

During appearances before state legislative committees on Dec. 3 and Dec. 10, Mr. Giuliani — who spent weeks peddling Mr. Trump’s conspiracy theories about election fraud — aired a series of false and sometimes outlandish claims that angered state election officials and Mr. Kemp. In a recent interview, Gabriel Sterling, a top aide to Mr. Raffensperger, said that he was in a legislative hearing room on a different floor during one of Mr. Giuliani’s appearances, trying to set the record straight.

“I literally was refuting everything one story down,” he said.

The Georgia investigation comes as Mr. Trump is also facing an on going criminal fraud inquiry into his finances by the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., and a civil fraud inquiry by the New York attorney general, Letitia James. Separately, the attorney general in the District of Columbia, Karl Racine, has said Mr. Trump could face a misdemeanor charge there for his role in inciting the mob violence at the Capitol; his office said Wednesday that it was still examining potential charges for inciting the rioting on Jan. 6.

The Georgia inquiry will be a test for Fulton’s new district attorney, who took office last month.
“Just because they start an investigation doesn’t mean that D.A. Willis is going to take it to a grand jury,” said Joshua Morrison, a former senior assistant district attorney in Fulton County who once worked closely with Ms. Willis. He expected a lengthy inquiry, given the stakes. “Look at the impeachment trial,” he added. “With this, he’s facing prison time. They’re going to throw everything they have at the wall.”

If Mr. Trump were to be convicted of a state crime in New York or Georgia, a federal pardon would not be applicable. In Georgia, Mr. Trump cannot look to Mr. Kemp for a state pardon, and not just because the two have a fractured relationship. In Georgia, pardons are granted only by the state board of pardons and paroles.
delta1
5 years ago
Trump will have a large D after his name very often, now that he's no longer POTUS...

D = Defendant
Mr. Jones
5 years ago
Trump will be broke by 2023/24 or sooner...

From broken contracts, no PGA tournament money, NO NYC INCOME FROM his properties with broken leases from businesses leaving NYC, MARALAGO GOING BROKE from everyone dropping their memberships, lawsuits from around 3,000 different ENTITIES... And a massive recession or the depression that is coming soon...in APRIL 2021...

He will have to move in with Jared and Ivanka to billionaire island in Florida... after Melania and Baron THE SEVEN FOOT GIANT BOYEE WHO GREW 3.5 FEET IN 4 YEARS...move back to Trump towers or the Ukraine...
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5 years ago

Trump will have a large D after his name very often, now that he's no longer POTUS...

D = Defendant

delta1 wrote:


He's got a chit ton of business, tax and criminal problems at his door.
teedubbya
5 years ago
He’s a scum bag. Always has been. Michael Cohen wasn’t just a random acquaintance. He’s a symptom of Trumps larger world. He always been a con man. This time he just duped more people.
frankj1
5 years ago
and he conned a ton here!
They're digging the interwebs for anything that can be used to build specious explanations that everyone BUT Trump was involved in a sick attack on the Capitol intended to overturn a valid election that ended in several deaths.

Let me say that again...ended in several deaths.

Next chapter: The Donald J. Trumptown Massacre.
See ya there...it's gonna be wild!
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5 years ago
His interesting, compounded, legal problem, is that the types of tax fraud crap he's accused of automatically "open the door" to expensive to defend civil lawsuits and problematic federal and/or state criminal charges.

Other charges in Georgia could also be very expensive to defend. And, some of his is usual sources of credit have recently avowed not to do business with him anymore.

On another legal front, Trump and Mara Lago are just about to be be sued by neighborhood home owners who allege that their home values will decline as a result of Trump living there and all the police expense, extra traffic, roads blocked off and sightseers. This could drag on for years.

Purportedly, there is an old agreement prohibiting Trump (or any one else) from living there. One side sez the prohibition is in writing. The other says it's not. I am going to bet it's not- or we already would have seen it.
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
Thought this was for impeachment?

The rest of it...he has to settle through the courts as he doesn't have the protections nor the excuses now that he's not President.

I'm so glad the Left has shown the nation how to operate.

Can we investigate the Clinton Foundation and the other holding companies they operate? Isn't funny the media doesn't investigate that? Say, the current President has almost the same get up going but is letting his son and brother run it for him.
RayR
5 years ago
It's just another ring in the circus to entertain the feckless proles and take attention away from the Biden Crime Family too.
frankj1
5 years ago

His interesting, compounded, legal problem, is that the types of tax fraud crap he's accused of automatically "open the door" to expensive to defend civil lawsuits and problematic federal and/or state criminal charges.

Other charges in Georgia could also be very expensive to defend. And, some of his is usual sources of credit have recently avowed not to do business with him anymore.

On another legal front, Trump and Mara Lago are just about to be be sued by neighborhood home owners who allege that their home values will decline as a result of Trump living there and all the police expense, extra traffic, roads blocked off and sightseers. This could drag on for years.

Purportedly, there is an old agreement prohibiting Trump (or any one else) from living there. One side sez the prohibition is in writing. The other says it's not. I am going to bet it's not- or we already would have seen it.

rfenst wrote:


read somewhere he may be legally entitled to live there if he is an employee...but many are said to be allowing their memberships to expire if he does.


His life may mimic OJ's...Senate votes no but a zillion dollars of civil suits from the families of those killed during the insurrection and those from law enforcement with significant injuries from the same.
BuckyB93
5 years ago

and he conned a ton here!
They're digging the interwebs for anything that can be used to build specious explanations that everyone BUT Trump was involved in a sick attack on the Capitol intended to overturn a valid election that ended in several deaths.

Let me say that again...ended in several deaths.

Next chapter: The Donald J. Trumptown Massacre.
See ya there...it's gonna be wild!

frankj1 wrote:



You're really beating this drum quite hard. The whole Trump led a rebel rousing attack on the Constitution that led to the near destruction of the US democratic system. Really?

All the death and destruction of the so called riot pales in comparison to the peaceful rallies of the BLM and defund stuff that was popular across the entire nation for most of last year.
RayR
5 years ago

You're really beating this drum quite hard. The whole Trump led a rebel rousing attack on the Constitution that led to the near destruction of the US democratic system. Really?

All the death and destruction of the so called riot pales in comparison to the peaceful rallies of the BLM and defund stuff that was popular across the entire nation for most of last year.

BuckyB93 wrote:



Frank is fully invested in the current MSM narrative and talking points, which necessarily requires all uncomfortable thoughts of the past be flushed down the memory hole.🚽
delta1
5 years ago
sometimes the MSM presents events that actually happen in the real world, that have actual real world consequences...like when Clinton was POTUS and was impeached...cons didn't think that was a made up deal and didn't denounce the MSM for covering the story in all its "glory".

it's odd that peeps now just want their media sources to present "news" they want to hear...even with so many fact checkers and other sources available to determine the accuracy of news reporting...

Trump's allegation/charade that the MSM is the "enemy of the people" has effectively covered the eyes of those willing to follow him, despite mountains of evidence the man consistently lied
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5 years ago

read somewhere he may be legally entitled to live there if he is an employee...but many are said to be allowing their memberships to expire if he does.


His life may mimic OJ's...Senate votes no but a zillion dollars of civil suits from the families of those killed during the insurrection and those from law enforcement with significant injuries from the same.

frankj1 wrote:


OJ came to Florida because our bankruptcy laws can be weaponized. Civil judgements can not be enforced against his pension, retirement accounts annuities and the like. He also can exclude his home (presumably worth millions) from creditors. Sweeeeet!!!, if planned and executed properly. People move here just for that, file bankruptcy under Florida law and then move back after relatively all their debt is wiped out without loosing their home's equity. Or, they just plan to stay...
frankj1
5 years ago

You're really beating this drum quite hard. The whole Trump led a rebel rousing attack on the Constitution that led to the near destruction of the US democratic system. Really?

BuckyB93 wrote:



not only did I not say anything remotely close to this, but it's not remotely close to what I think happened.

An attack on a valid election does equate to an attack on a fundamental principle of democracy, but does not destroy democracy!

I'll not get into comparing what happened in an attempt to attack Democracy with the illegal destruction of property and looting in the aftermath of protests, nor does that validate the latter.
fiddler898
5 years ago

Frank is fully invested in the current MSM narrative and talking points, which necessarily requires all uncomfortable thoughts of the past be flushed down the memory hole.🚽

RayR wrote:



I think we can safely measure Frank's level of reason and understanding in inverse proportion to your own.

Consistently, and reliably.
RayR
5 years ago

I think we can safely measure Frank's level of reason and understanding in inverse proportion to your own.

Consistently, and reliably.

fiddler898 wrote:



Oh Golly! Frank has got himself an attack parrot!🦜
Speyside
5 years ago
WGAF what either side is trying to do? Our efforts have entirely moved to helping Americans who are hurting and afraid. Let him hole up in Mara Lago and fume till his hearts content. The potential criminal charges are his real worry. The dog and pony show in congress is a waste of time. The talking heads never shut up. Perhaps his biggest problem is he is now a pariah to the corporate world.
delta1
5 years ago
his Twitter rants were occasionally entertaining...I sorta miss them...
frankj1
5 years ago

Oh Golly! Frank has got himself an attack parrot!🦜

RayR wrote:


and you've got smoothie!
cool.

actually, I'm quite comfortable and confidant in much, not all, of what you derisively call main stream. Having a brain that is not indoctrinated by hatred and despair, I find it rather easy to discern recording from reporting, and can pull the story from the noise.

It seems quite clear to me that the most biased reporting (recording with a slant) comes not from the middle, not from the center left, not from the center right, but from the extremes, to one of which you clearly belong. You're being fed bias attempting to prove a position rather than analyze issue by issue, not me. I develop opinions based on specific issues, not an edgy blanket philosophy. Country over party...get it?

Having once been under the influence of an extreme political bent, I understand the warped perspective with which it infects it's ardent adherents. Hopefully one day you will realize that one size does not fit all...it's simply not possible that one view is always correct, has all the answers.

And even if that was possible, the one you have chosen to explain all, if correct, would have a ton of followers, not a paltry handful after all these years.
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