Gene363
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4 years ago
Some people believe that FDR was some sort of saint. I wonder if you knew he tried to provoke Japan into war by sending men on a suicide mission.

As World War II raged on and America had not yet gotten involved, it is believed that President Franklin D. Roosevelt was eager to send troops into the fray.

However, by November of 1941 the Japanese had still not attacked the United States, so the president had to convince Congress to declare war against the Axis when they had done nothing directly against them.

It was during these days that Admiral Harold Stark, Commander of the US Fleet in Asia, received a puzzling secret presidential directive.

The letter contained orders to prepare three old Navy vessels and send them to an area infested with over 50 Japanese warships. The intention being to provoke an incident that would justify declaring war against the Empire of Japan.

Stark immediately realized it could be a one-way mission for the Navy crews, but he had no choice but to obey.



This is the video that explains the plan:



Gene363
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4 years ago
On balance, this story does argue that FDR did expectJapan to start a war, he did NOT know in advance of the Pearl Harbor attack
frankj1
4 years ago
didn't do the link, Gene, but recall my father (he was in the Army during the war) telling me the US/FDR and others froze Japan's assets but more importantly cut off access to oil while anticipating this would force Japan's hand.
MACS
4 years ago
Plus he started social security... just for that he's a douche rocket.
Palama
4 years ago

Some people believe that FDR was some sort of saint. I wonder if you knew he tried to provoke Japan into war by sending men on a suicide mission.



This is the video that explains the plan:


Gene363 wrote:



Never heard of the suicide mission but don’t doubt it’s veracity. Also know that it’s 80 years old and no real way of proving it, either way. However, I also don’t doubt that FDR wanted to get the US into the war by whatever means necessary (…other than firing the first shot…).
RayR
4 years ago

Plus he started social security... just for that he's a douche rocket.

MACS wrote:



His entire administration and its policies were a douche rocket, a cornucopia of pinko's socialists and fascists, not unlike Biden's.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
He was a huge technocrat and a 💩
frankj1
4 years ago
actually, (back on topic), FDR and his gang tried to stay out of it as long as possible. Even pretended they knew nothing of the Holocaust.
Henry Morganthau (sp?) JR finally got through to him.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
And Pearl Harbor?
frankj1
4 years ago

And Pearl Harbor?

ZRX1200 wrote:


exactly. that's what the oil was about. Get Japan needy, set up an easy target...
RayR
4 years ago
You may want to read Robert B. Stinnett's book, Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor

E-Book formats are available for free at the Internet Archive
https://archive.org/details/dayofdeceit/page/n2/mode/2up 

Stinnett passed away in 2018, this is Stinnett discussing his new book at the Independent Institute back in 2000
https://www.c-span.org/video/?157339-1/day-deceit-truth-fdr-pearl-harbor 

J. Alfred Powell gives a rundown of what Stinnett presents in the book.
How FDR Forced Japan to Attack Pearl Harbor While Lying About Trying to Avoid War

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/07/no_author/how-fdr-forced-japan-to-attack-pearl-harbor-while-lying-about-trying-to-avoid-war/ 
ZRX1200
4 years ago
WW2 was the Reichstag moment for technocrats and played a massive role in moving away from our founding.

There have been a few navy men I’ve read that have discussed something different than our produced then taught history.
Speyside2
4 years ago
I think there is one interesting verifiable fact. Radar information about a large number of airplanes heading to Pearl Harbor was relayed to the Fort Schafer intercept center where it was dismissed. The man who dismissed it was in training. This seems so very strange to me that someone in training would judge the information without expert consulting and why wasn't an expert the man who recieved the information.
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